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Personally, for whatever reason I don’t believe he has reproduced the Ascot run but pleased to see his defeat has made a few people happy.
I wouldn’t have bothered posting had he won by six lengths because it wouldn’t have proven anything. Hopefully, a career is not defined by three races.
Look forward to see you all jumping on board with similar relish should he get his career back on track.
I don’t think anyone seems "happy" about his defeat today. Following racing is all about opinions and it has to be said that War Command flopped today.
He may not have run to form but he was a surprise winner to most people in the Coventry and although he has only run three times, a hard fought win in a maiden, before a stunning looking win in a group 2, all rounded off with an odds-on defeat, gives us two occasions where he has looked smart, against only one where he looked brilliant. He was as low as 5/1 for next years 2000 Guineas before today and that seemed ridiculous to me. His first two wins have seen 31 subsequent runners, of which only 2 have won. Another poster has said he’ll improve for the step up in trip but he looked much better at Ascot over 6f than he did on his debut over 7f at Leopardstown, so it would be difficult to blame the trip today on that evidence. I have watched today’s race several times and I don’t think War Command made any inroads into the front two late in the race, if anything they seemed to edge a little further away from him. He’s entered in every good race over 6 and 7 furlongs from the Gimcrack to the Dewhurst, so we will probably get to see him on a recovery mission somewhere. The trouble for him will be the stable being mob-handed with equally likely candidates starting to show their potential now.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Following racing is all about opinions and it
has to be said that War Command flopped today
.
And my opinion is that opinion is rubbish.
I thought War Command was disappointing. He seemed to get a reasonable lead, as at Ascot.
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has to be said that War Command flopped today
.
And my opinion is that opinion is rubbish.
Where is your reasoning regarding that though?
I have laid out mine and it’s pretty lazy to make a sweeping statement like that without any explanation as to why you disagree.
2/5 fav favourite rated 9lbs clear finishing only third to two horses who ran exactly to the form of their previous meeting would indicate to most people that all had not gone to plan.
It is interesting that EVERY major bookmaker pushed him out in the betting quite markedly for the 2000 Guineas in the immediate aftermath. Perhaps they are all talking rubbish as well.
The Racing Post article on the race begins thus:-
"COVENTRY winner War Command
flopped
at the Curragh on Sunday as he finished just third in the Group 1 Phoenix Stakes, won by Sudirman."
Obviously their writer must be talking rubbish as well.
Here’s the challenge put down to you:-
Write something cogent that gives this forum an opportunity to consider why you are correct in your opinion and prove that the above parties are indeed talking rubbish.
The gauntlet is down, will you pick it up?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Where is your reasoning regarding that though?
My reasoning is quantitative not qualitative and is given in a prior post on this thread.
Andy
Results back you up on that one.
On a quick check I reckon Coventry Stakes runners have now run 17 times between them since the race and the only winner has been Lansrk at Evens.
Rob
War Command came from last to 1st in the Coventry maybe the way the race panned out suited or fall into his lap, be interesting to see the sectionals maybe the early pace took it out of those at the head of the field. War Command was not 1st string for that race so although probably a very good horse was probably overrated by the visual impression.
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Where is your reasoning regarding that though?
My reasoning is quantitative not qualitative and is given in a prior post on this thread.
Speed figures are by no means the be all and end all of analysing racing, many more factors are included. Are you trying to suggest that the two horses who beat War Command yesterday would have been first and second in the Coventry?
Even if War Command has run to his best in your opinion, it is still a fact that in his attempt to win as a short priced favourite yesterday he flopped. In trying to consolidate his position at the head of the market for the 2000 Guineas he flopped. In aiming to strengthen his position at the head of the 2000 Guineas he failed, was unsuccessful, did not achieve, couldn’t manage it, err what’s the word I’m looking for? Ah yes, FLOPPED.
He was floppier than a floppy thing in Flopsville on Flop Night.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Speed figures are by no means the be all and end all of analysing racing, many more factors are included.
In this particular instance they are enough to tell you that War Command did not flop. In fact, in this instance they are the best metric to tell you that War Command did not flop.
Speed figures are by no means the be all and end all of analysing racing, many more factors are included.
In this particular instance they are enough to tell you that War Command did not flop. In fact, in this instance they are the best metric to tell you that War Command did not flop.
That is just a statement you are making and passing it off as fact, you will need to provide evidence that supports what you are saying is true.
War Command was being rowed along the best part of three furlongs out yesterday and if we read his race report from the Coventry it is a different story:-
"slow into stride in rear, headway entering final furlong, soon led, quickened clear, impressive"
If you wish to believe that is exactly the same form as yesterday that is your prerogative. If you are not going to bring anything other than a number to attempt to prove your point, the matter is closed as far as I am concerned.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
If you are not going to bring anything other than a number to attempt to prove your point, the matter is closed as far as I am concerned.
It is precisely because you cannot bring a number to the table that defines your inability to correctly guage whether War Command flopped or not.
The Coventry is proving a flop if you ask me.And nobody did.
How do you think the form of the Coventry has worked out Andy?
War Command came from last to 1st in the Coventry maybe the way the race panned out suited or fall into his lap, be interesting to see the sectionals maybe the early pace took it out of those at the head of the field. War Command was not 1st string for that race so although probably a very good horse was probably overrated by the visual impression.
Speaking as one of those who took a chance and lumped on him for next year’s Guineas I have to say I think you are correct Nathan. The form of the Coventry has not plotted out too well and I’ll be surprised and more than a little chuffed if he even runs in the race now.
… as our learned friend would say:
this slip is not looking like one to tuck under the lucky clown I’m afraid.
On the speed figure front, I had
War Command
on
86
for his win in the Coventry, and yesterday’s race was run in a fast time on going I had down at
+0.50s/f
(good to firm)
Yesterdays winner
Sudirman
earned a figure of
84
and
War Command
returned a speed figure of
81
, I have always known that Royal Ascot takes a lot out of the 2yo’s that run there, and if
War Command
returning a speed figure
5lbs
lower than his run in the Coventry stakes, constitutes a failure, we are being too harsh
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