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War Command very impressive in the Coventry what did you make of his win? Fluke or Very good?
War Command
very impressive in the Coventry what did you make of his win?
Fluke
or
Very good
?
Very, VERY good.
One thing War Command did have in his favour was the way this Coventry panned out. Missed break along with second Parbold, placing them at the back of the field which turned out to be an advantage. Those at the front possibly going off a bit too quickly for their own good. It is possible War Command is a little (but only a little) flattered by distances back to the others. But nothing to suggest the 6 lengths to Parbold is anything but a genuine reflection of superiority.Rest of the runners may not be of exceptional merit, suspect might be some Group 3 winners amongst them. However, War Command did not just beat them, he slaughtered them, going away at the line. Without knowing sectional times, it seemed to me he won just as much by staying on as turn of foot. Encouraging when thinking of a Guineas. Breeding also suggests should be suited by 1 mile to 10 furlongs next year.
Even with a small question mark about pace… Considering there was almost 11 months to go – War Command probably doesn’t have much improvement to make to win an average 2000 Guineas.
What percentage chance do you believe he has of winning at Newmarket next May? I reckon considerably better than 9% (10/1) offered immediately after the Coventry. And the 12.5% (7/1) available now still seems to underestimate his chance.
Value Is Everythingi reckon his price is right for the guineas.
Do you reckon his a Derby horse?Cheers for the reply
Slightly biased because I backed him but I can’t see why anyone would think it was a fluke. It strikes me that the Coventry Stakes is a race that is increasing in stature and a number of better 2yos are also appearing earlier in the season so I can understand the short price for the Guineas. You could easily argue that he should be considerably shorter than Kingman who at the moment is priced up primarily on hype. The big fear I would have with War Command would surround O’Brien steering him safely to the race. If he just had the one star to train it might be a different story.
War Command
very impressive in the Coventry what did you make of his win?
Fluke
or
Very good
?
Having watched the race a dozen times now I find it impossible to fault
War Commands
performance,I can fault the performance of several others mind and the question has to be asked,"Is ‘War Command’ really ‘that’ much better than
Stubbs
and
Sir John Hawkins
?,prior to the race ‘War command’ had taken money during the build up in the week,he was cut to 9/1 from 16/1 now that could have been the time the ‘Coolmore’ money went down,however Serious money went down on ‘Stubbs’ on the day and ‘War Command’ drifted like a barge to a 20/1 SP, ‘Sir John Hawkins’ was solid enough and turned in a solid enough performance for a middle distance horse.What concerns me from an Ante-Post perspective is 1,Will ‘War Command’ actually get a mile? His breeding is dubious.2,Will he be trained for a 2000gns run,or will he get the softly softly approach culminating in a Breeders Cup Mile run, a race his sire won and being American owned there’s also the chance he could run there this year.The owner himself Joseph Allen ran his
Lines of Battle
in last years ‘Juvenile’ at Santa Anita
and that scuppered his 2000gns programme as it did both ‘George Vancouver’ and ‘Dundonell’.Incidentally ‘Lines of Battle’ was the first horse quoted in the 2000gns Ante-Post lists at 16/1 last year…..’Dawn approach’ was 20/1!! He’d beaten ‘Leitir Mor’ a head on his debut.All things considered I believe if you look at the video of ‘War Command’ winning the Coventry he’s still a good bet at 7/1,if you look at the image of him crossing the line with his ears pricked he’s going to be 3/1 after his next run.But if you look at the bigger picture like I do then there’s a couple of question marks that hang over his future targets."The owner himself Joseph Allen ran his Lines of Battle in last years ‘Juvenile’ at Santa Anita
and that scuppered his 2000gns programme as it did both George Vancouver and Dundonell"
Could not imagine Bolger allowing such things "scupper" his horses programmes."The owner himself Joseph Allen ran his Lines of Battle in last years ‘Juvenile’ at Santa Anita
and that scuppered his 2000gns programme as it did both George Vancouver and Dundonell"
Could not imagine Bolger allowing such things "scupper" his horses programmes.Don’t know about "scuppered" Andyod.
Dundonnell wasn’t good enough, it’s true George Vancouver hasn’t been the same since but…Hannon ran Sky Lantern in the Breeders Cup Fillies Juvenile Turf (should’ve won with a clear run). Didn’t do her 1000 Guineas chances any harm Andyod.
Value Is EverythingThree Valleys turned out to be a disappointment. But then, the Coventry Stakes does throw up some very decent horses in general.
I’m still on the fence with War Command. Part of me is thinking that his Coventry win could be a flash-in-the-pan performance because his first run was a gritty neck win over Intensified who hasn’t done much in two races since. I’m more in favour of Kingman than War Command.
As far as Coventry winners go, my favourties are Canford Cliffs, Horage (very fast 2 year old) and the wonderful Chief Singer who smashed his field by 4 lengths … and he was the only newcomer in the race!…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC2YPbvOzHU
Anyone remember Three Valleys?
Those of us who remember the thread about Canford Cliff’s Coventry win certainly do. Perhaps someone can list all those who tried to use this to beat down that performance. Doesn’t seem quite so clever now.
Doesn’t seem quite so clever now.
The point is that we shouldn’t necessarily get carried away by wide margin winners in this race. Sure, Canford Cliffs went on to better things (as did Chief Singer), but Three Valleys was a subsequent flop.
War Command was stuffed into third place at odds of 2/5 today. Despite the Coventry form yielding only one winning horse (Lanark) and a load of disappointments since, the punters lap up a horse who, let’s not forget, was a 20/1 shock winner at Royal Ascot. A bubble burst I think.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Should have been a massive lay for those that play that game.
Form of the race is terrible for a Coventry.
Slightly biased because I backed him but I can’t see why anyone would think it was a fluke. It strikes me that the Coventry Stakes is a race that is increasing in stature and a number of better 2yos are also appearing earlier in the season so I can understand the short price for the Guineas. You could easily argue that he should be considerably shorter than Kingman who at the moment is priced up primarily on hype. The big fear I would have with War Command would surround O’Brien steering him safely to the race. If he just had the one star to train it might be a different story.
Looking more liking to be a fluke now
Maybe some horses perform better with certain jockeys on
( or not on ! ) their backs.I wouldn’t write off War Command just yet. I reckon he’ll improve when upped in trip.
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Personally, for whatever reason I don’t believe he has reproduced the Ascot run but pleased to see his defeat has made a few people happy.
I wouldn’t have bothered posting had he won by six lengths because it wouldn’t have proven anything. Hopefully, a career is not defined by three races.
Look forward to see you all jumping on board with similar relish should he get his career back on track.
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