September 22, 2019 at 23:08 #1460622
Managed to have a look at the race when I got home tonight Hein but bookies here not giving any prices on the race yet but Frankie Dettori is already down to ride. Did however read that Gosden was looking for a Group 1 race next for KOC and The Champion Stakes seems most likely.
In the absence of KOC I’m very keen on Michael Stoute’s Zaaki who has been doing everything asked of him and is owned by Tetra Pak heiress Kirsten Rausing who gets quite a few winners at Newmarket.
Stoute won the race last year with Mutashry and only 5 runners turned out.
Will put up a Thread in Big Race Discussions so you can perhaps get some more people commentating and we can sort out a winner..but for me it’s Zaaki
Best of luck JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 22, 2019 at 23:38 #1460631
Excuse me Jac, I don’t quite understand your post
What do you mean with “in the absence of KOC”, does it mean you think he won’t run here?
Why should Frankie already be jocked up then?September 22, 2019 at 23:55 #1460641Nathan HughesModerator
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Very interesting regard KOC
I think Gosden may run him at the weekend with a view of the QE11 perhaps as a future group 1 because with Too Darn Hot no longer in training it opens up the mile division and it gives them options as if it goes t!ts up there is always the Champion Stakes to fall back on.??Don't Eat The Pie and Don't Buy The S*nSeptember 23, 2019 at 00:00 #1460653
Thanks Nathan for your encouraging post
I hope Jac is exceptionally not right (if she really thinks he won’t run here) as I already placed my bet tonight..September 23, 2019 at 00:05 #1460655Nathan HughesModerator
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He’s best odds priced up 6/1 for the QE11 and 13/2 for the Champion Stakes so it would seem the bookies are unsure of his future destination.Don't Eat The Pie and Don't Buy The S*nSeptember 23, 2019 at 00:28 #1460701
Sure, but I’m talking about Joel Stakes.
If I ended up losing this without one hoof is turned, it would be hard to digest, but I am still confident JG will use this as a prep race for Champions Day. To me it would make sense, as it would help KOC reducing his quirks and building up some winning feelingSeptember 23, 2019 at 00:31 #1460712
I’m hoping he does run hein I really want to see him on Friday but I wont back him at short odds..
My statement ‘in the absence of KOC’ was meant to mean betting without the favourite sorry you misread my meaning hein we all want him to run and the fact Frankie already up is looking good
Zaaki is the danger and will do a Rev.Forecast with KOC JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 23, 2019 at 00:42 #1460779
Thank you Jac for this relief,
you reduced my pulse by a few strokes
I know he is short, but I really see him superior to horses like Zaaki,
but I must admit that I only have very little experience at your “living room” Newmarket.
At least a straight track could emphasize KOC’s strengths I hopeSeptember 27, 2019 at 23:10 #1463180
Disappointing run by King Of Comedy Hein, he didn’t shine in the paddock today, I think he’s his own worse enemy and his awkward head carriage holds him back, he left the stalls badly today.
Zaaki also was dull of coat and Benbatl outshone them all, shame Charlie Appleby didn’t train him hein as you might have had a saver.
I know you think a lot of Mum’s Tipple hein and he’s out tomorrow against another Godolphin horse with a big reputation Earthlight I cant wait to see this race and have to favour Earthlight who has won at Group 1 level and trainer A Fabre, who doesn’t usually go home empty handed from visits to Newmarket brings him here with M.Barcelona to ride him home. ..JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 27, 2019 at 23:36 #1463186
Yes Jac, I must confirm that KOC is a madman
When I saw Frankie walking him to the stalls I already waved my ticket good bye
I wouldn’t have played Benbatl Jac, because honestly I couldn’t stand this “beast” crap on my thread
Exactly, I still like Mums Tipple, on the thread they write the usual stuff like “he comes from low grade, he is too short” etc but this race is too hard to play for me, so I just enjoy it.
I would have liked Kameko, but he is really too short even for me.
By the way, I trust you about the atmosphere at Newmarket, but betting-wise I must say it’s a very tough and even disappointing place for me; to be honest I think this track is quite unfair with all its specialities like the dip etc, so at least I get the impression that those horses win who can handle the track best. Is this possible?
Tomorrow I stick to German racing at Dresden, just one staying handicap with a son of Sea The Moon..September 28, 2019 at 00:08 #1463190
Yes I sympathise with you about your Joel Thread Hein there are some that just go over the top in their enthusiasm for a horse and it can put others off posting, that is why I came to this peaceful haven to comment on King Of Comedy and commiserate with you.
Newmarket is a fair track hein the dip and uphill finish certainly test a horses stamina and yes there are those horses that do not handle the course but they are soon found out and would not figure highly in betting at the course..
I think the key to finding winners centre around the local trainers who work their horses on the finest gallops in the world on Newmarket Heath and up Warren Hill, Charlie Appleby does not use the Gallops he has his own set that mirror Newmarket’s Course behind his vast fenced in yard so race watchers will never see his horses out on the Heath and that’s why his horses run so well at Newmarket.
Not sure if Andre Fabre has similar facilities in France and will find out if Earthlight handles the dip tomorrow..I’m hoping he does
Best of luck at Dresden with your Sea The Moon hope..let us know how it fairs…kind wishes..Jac
I have a treble on first 3 races tomorrow…
EarthlightThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 28, 2019 at 00:51 #1463192
Thank you Jac, then you understand me again perfectly
Right, then I am in the picture about your fav track and trust you about its fairness
I also am relieved that you weren’t upset that I said something else before..
In Germany I really find Baden Baden quite unfair, it takes some steering there and the bends are very sharp, and often only the course specialists win.
Thank you, I also wish you all the best with your treble
I am still thinking a bit about Kameko, maybe he drifts to 6/4 or so, my only worry is this McDonald dude, because I always get him wrong, when I play him he doesn’t win and vice versa.
Which one would you find more rock solid, Kameko or Raffle Prize?September 28, 2019 at 07:18 #1463213
I like both hein but, as you ask, my preference would be for Raffle Prize..she is a powerhouse and for me the banker today.
She will be a skinny price though and I took Evens Paddy Power last night for my single bet as she could go odds on that’s why I decided to put the treble together I think it paid around 12/1 so fingers crossed.
Best of luck today hein I’m off to get ready for an exciting day at the races now and hope the wind has dropped a little…the horses hate it and me too..speak later when we know all the answers..JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...September 28, 2019 at 14:35 #1463274
That’s what I meant Jac, for betting Newmarket is really a catastrophe, but fortunately I stayed away from both of these shorties. I must say Frankie doesn’t seem to be an asset at Newmarket, exposing Raffle Prize to that wind was not the best idea He has probably never ridden a roadbike..
Nevertheless enjoy your daySeptember 28, 2019 at 16:13 #1463293
Congrats to you for Earthlight Jac
People were right about Mums Tipple,
and my Mooniac ended up second
Here the wind is very strong too,
otherwise I would have better gone rowing!
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