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    hein bollowhein bollow
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    Hi folks, I’ve created this topic, as it often happens that your horses come over to Germany and sometimes they are hard to evaluate for me. On Monday this is the case, and I would ask you for your help:
    In Cologne there will be a listed race for 3yo fillies over 1600m (nearly 8f) and the favourite is an English horse called Delectation (by Delegator who died last year) who is now trained here by German champion Andreas Wöhler.
    At 2 she won the Firth of Clyde Stakes at Ayr, a Group 3 over 6f and my question would be, if anybody knows her and could assess her skills over 8f?

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    Quote lifted from her former trainer Bryan Smart, who clearly thought 8f would not be a problem:

    Delectation was sold after Thirsk with the idea of going to Australia but now I’m hoping they will leave her with me so I can train her for the 1,000 Guineas! I think she’s special and I think she will stay

    Don’t know what happened to Australia!

    Mike

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    Thank you very much Betlarge, this quote sure helps me out!
    She was sold to new owners called Australian Bloodstock, there are also Germans involved, and now they stationed her here.

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    Delectation won pretty easily at a decent price of 12/5!

    Racing Post assess that run at 104 which is really only Group 3 territory, but clearly stays 8f and improving so I’m a bit surprised they haven’t entered her in either the UK or French 1000 Guineas.

    Mike

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    Delectation won pretty easily at a decent price of 12/5!

    Yes, that was an impressive win and she also benefitted from a top ride by Eddie Pedroza!
    Maybe they are modest and will be content with winning the German 1000 Guineas, as there is no opposition in sight for her if she just repeats this form..

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    Hughie Morrison’s Nearly Caught is running in Berlin in the Group 2 Oleander-Rennen on Sunday.
    I think he will have a very good chance with Adam Kirby up.

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    Just noticed that Delectation is running in the ‘Pouliches’ today, French 1000 Gns at Deauville.

    Currently 4th favourite at 10/1

    EW shot ?

    haven’t really looked at the race but O’Brien runs a few and Haggas has a couple.

    Of the home team I like Via Ravenna currently 11/2 ………..looks a fair bet !

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    Hi people,
    I would have a question to you:
    Today there are the German Oaks at Düsseldorf, it is a classic group one for 3y old fillies over 2200 meters. The ground is announced as good to soft.
    Here are 15 German filies taken on by Wuheida, and the difficulty is, that she has only run over 7f and 8f so far.
    So I have absolutely no idea, if she could stay nearly 11f,
    could anybody of you please assess her chances?
    Thank you in advance ;-) !

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    I don’t know anything about the German horses Hein but Wuheida is clearly a good horse winning the group 1 Boussac on only her 2nd start and kicking this campaign off going down narrowly against a very good one in Roly Poly who if it wasn’t for Winter could be a 4 time group 1 winner herself and that after suffering a setback in April ruling her out of the 1000 guineas.
    Wuheida was pulled from the Nassau so I don’t think they will want if too soft for her but She will certainly be a 10f and 12f horse in time, the trainer has said stepping up in trip will suit so it has been the plan. The sire produces plenty of high quality horses that stay 10f and beyond to name a few recent ones Postponed, Dartmouth, Al Kazeem and Time Test.
    The Dam Hibaayeb won the fillies mile as a two year so stamina should not be a problem.

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    There may be a slight doubt about her stamina but providing the ground isn’t too tiring her class should get her home.

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    Thank you for your answers, I’m heading to Düsseldorf now..

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    Take the camera Hein
    This horse has a lot of potential

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    Sorry Nathan, I had left before reading your post, so I missed taking photos..
    Wuheida’s stamina didn’t suffice indeed, and she ended as third.
    I played the winner, but only on place, that was my only idea for this race.
    My friend Jim Crowley was also involved, beforehand I thought, this is a nice booking,
    but his horse would be a hopeless outsider, but he showed his jockeyship and became second :good: .

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    It was a funny start to the race, Buick got Wuheida out quick but nothing went with her and the jockey was looking around for something to take up the running for him to get the horse some cover, I reckon he went deliberately wide around the first bend to give away a bit of ground so something could lead.
    Well done on your selection Hein, you are in the groove a bit like how Lothar Matthäus was in Italia 90……. :whistle:

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    Nathan HughesNathan Hughes
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    What was the going like Hein…..?
    It looks like Appleby is giving up on the idea of staying after just one try at it…. :scratch:

    http://www.attheraces.com/news/2017/August/07/charlie-appleby-has-matron-in-mind-for-wuheida

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