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Hi people,
I’ve got another one for you, if you like:
On Sunday Hawkbill and another blue one called Racing History will run in a G1 over 12f at Hoppegarten, the going will be soft or good to soft. It is only a field of 7, so a lot will depend on the jockeys, Hawkbill is with Buick and RH with Gerald Mosse. I don’t rate the German horses in here very high, so I think one of the two Godolphins will win. Hawkbill is the obvious one, but could he be surprised by Racing History, what do you think?
And what about the stamina qualities of these two horses?Great thread Hein.
I was pricing up the British Champions Fillies & Mares the other day. Do you think Lacazar could run? What is the next race for her? Something in France I’m guessing.
Thanks for the info about Walsingham.
Thanks you LS, that’s nice to read.
Yes, planned for Lacazar’s next start is the Prix Vermeille.
About your race I have no idea what Peter Schiergen is up to and what the opponents would be.
I can just state that she is a serious stayer, her father Adlerflug gave her stamina and class.
No problem, so far it is just my opinion about Walsingham.
Do you also give prices for our St.Leger, and what would it be for him?I think Journey, Queen’s Trust, The Black Princess, Nezwaah and Seventh Heaven would be likely runners in the BC Fillies & Mares. Maybe So Mi Dar and Coronet too. Stamina is a good asset for that race. Most of the winners since 2005 have been very strong stayers so I think Mr Schiergen should consider it if the filly is good enough.
I don’t know enough about German racing to give a price for the German Leger, sorry. I would just be guessing! Do any German bookies have ante-post prices up for the race online?
I would love to see Lacazar in this race and would much prefer it to that strange, eh French race. The horses you mentioned don’t read too scary, but if it is an option for her connections, I really can’t tell.
No, unfortunately not yet. For longer terms, they only offer our few G1s ante post, with the “rest” they wait about one week before the race.I was stoked to see the mighty Dschingis Secret take down the Grosser Preis today, Hein. What a star. I thought he had a chance in the Coronation Cup earlier in the year but connections chose not to take the trip.
Do you think Dschingis Secret will run outside Germany this year?
I was stoked to see the mighty Dschingis Secret take down the Grosser Preis today, Hein. What a star. I thought he had a chance in the Coronation Cup earlier in the year but connections chose not to take the trip.
Do you think Dschingis Secret will run outside Germany this year?
Next races will be the Prix Foy, then the Arc. He hates Baden-Baden, so they´ll skip the big Gr.1 there. Adrie DeVries thinks he´ll be even better on heavy/soft with a truly run race. He pulled hard today.
Next races will be the Prix Foy, then the Arc. He hates Baden-Baden, so they´ll skip the big Gr.1 there. Adrie DeVries thinks he´ll be even better on heavy/soft with a truly run race. He pulled hard today.
Send him to Christian von der Recke and get him jumping hurdles?
Fiepes Shuffle eat your heart out!
I’m amazed how well you two know our horses
But jumping is no option for him, as this area is virtually dead in Germany. He will surely stick to the flat world and Mr. Klug.
You answered the question very well, Pete! Exactly, he is allergic to Baden Baden, so they must go abroad and it will be France next.
Godolphin should really select their trips to Germany better, sending over those average classed, doubtful stayers won’t suffice to steal our G1 races. Also Doyle’s ride was absolutely terrible, I really wondered if he meant that seriously, but the easier it was for Adrie
.DeVries thinks he´ll be even better on heavy/soft with a truly run race
Yes, he is much better the softer it gets.
That’s why I was sceptical beforehand, as so far he seemed to depend on juicy ground.
I’ve never seen him so good on good .I’m amazed how well you two know our horses
But jumping is no option for him, as this area is virtually dead in Germany. He will surely stick to the flat world and Mr. Klug.
You answered the question very well, Pete! Exactly, he is allergic to Baden Baden, so they must go abroad and it will be France next.
Godolphin should really select their trips to Germany better, sending over those average classed, doubtful stayers won’t suffice to steal our G1 races. Also Doyle’s ride was absolutely terrible, I really wondered if he meant that seriously, but the easier it was for Adrie 😉 .When was the last time Godolphin were selective when sending something over to Germany? It’s an insult to German racing to have to deal with horses that are no better than Group 3 class, but still go off as favourites.
By the way, the best Godolphin horses aren’t trained by Suroor or Appleby and they might to rethink that as well.Thank you Ruby, you stated this very precisely
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It is really odd that the Godolphins are still so highly respected here, but it’s quite lucrative to take them on..
Who is then the best Godolphin trainer in your opinion?Thank you Ruby, you stated this very precisely
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It is really odd that the Godolphins are still so highly respected here, but it’s quite lucrative to take them on..
Who is then the best Godolphin trainer in your opinion?The best Godolphin trainer in my opinion is Andre Fabre…. by a country mile.
Hannon and Fahey have just too many horses in training and will never become a Godolphin-only operation.
Charlie Appleby seems to get the best juveniles, but he doesn’t seem to have Classic winning material.I think you guys are too harsh on Hawkbill and Racing History. They would have easily dominated the Gr.1 at the end of last year in Germany, if the riders didn´t think of Guignol as Savoir Vivre´s pacemaker. Here they probably ran into the best German horse. I think Markus Klug never had an Arc runner, despite all his success in Germany, so that he had this campaign mapped out with the Arc as the target shows how highly he rated Dschingis Secret and his improvement from 3 to 4.
Sure they are not Gr.1 winning superstars, but Hawkbill, Racing History and Wuheida are not mugs. Godolphin showed the proper respect imho. Do they even have any better middle distance horses in training? Wuheida´s only loss had been to RoyPoly, who in turn has only been beaten by a potential superstar in Winter. Also wasn´t obvious she would not stay.
This was good for German racing. It´s worse, when AOB sends his hurdlers in an attempt to win the German Derby. That´s disrespectful.
Thamk you for your assessment, Ruby.
Yes Pete, maybe you are right, and I should have remained more diplomatic.
In the end it really might be good for Germany that the Godolphins keep on coming.
Right, Guignol’s win came from not being taken seriously, and Dschingis Secret was too good for them.
Soon they will have another chance to send some horses to Baden Baden, if they are not deterred by Iquitos and Windstoß.There is a listed race over 7furlongs in Dusseldorf on Sunday. The british Horse is called Pirouette from the H. Morrison yard with Robert Winston on board. What are the thoughts of this horse? He is available at 3/1 with a german bookie…i think she has an excellent chance to take this and 3/1 could be very good. May well be 6/4 on sunday….if you look at the formlines with the likes of Laugh Aloud, Unforgetable Filly and Tisbutadream…she should be evens……
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