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    Sure folks, there are not a few punters who would follow AOB over a cliff, but that is not a smart thing to do from my POV, as his fame came from his performance in the past, and I wrote elsewhere that his “glory” is more to thank good old Gallileo. But now this stallion is a grandpa, and the last drop of his juice (if you know what I mean) will probably soon be exploited.
    I confirm Gosden to be a very good trainer Jack, but as the wonderful Jac stated rightly, he is not one for the early classics, and I wouldn’t do this mistake to follow him here ever again.
    Then we have Appleby who is a great trainer, but so far not this season, he just has to get back in the driver’s seat first. So my bottom line is indeed, that at this point of the season none of the trainers can be trusted wholy, so my only ante post bet will remain in the Prince Charles Stakes, not for the Haggas form, but for the brilliance of SOC :whistle:

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    By the way, there is at least one sole thing that I like about AOB:
    That he calls these money stinking millionaires “lads”!
    “Well, listen Lydia, were absolutely delighted, the lads are over the moon!” :yes:

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    You wont like the article in the Racing Post today about the current quality of Galileo’s 2 year olds then Hein!

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    I don’t know this one yet Frenchy, but then you slightly indicate that he would be still firing :unsure:
    But somewhen not too far away this will come to an end, and will the lads provide any stallion to replace him?
    To my very humble opinion there’s none in sight, would anyone disagree?

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    Galileo gets the top mares so it’ll give another stallion(s) a crack to produce better, perhaps?

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    Hein, i’d probably disagree; but with no certain replacement, as it’s early days for the likes of Camelot + Australia. They look promising don’t they?

    Galileo is 22 and the other “super sire” Dubawi is 18. Neither spring chickens.

    Camelot is the top 2nd crop sire 100 runners- 48 winners.

    I won’t pretend to focus on new sires etc, but i can’t imagine many other owners/breeders have much better to offer?

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    That is at least an optimistic version for the Gallileo fans right Nathan :bye: ?

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    Jack this is nothing unusual, as you always tend to disagree to what I am saying :yes:
    I am waiting for the day when this will be different, but it might not be too near :unsure:

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    ..and of course Calyx would have bombed this lame 2000 G lineup, but his trainer was his worst enemy :wacko:
    At least I was right at one thing, as I wrote several months ago that Calyx is the outstanding class horse, not Too Damn Hot :good:

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    I’m not quite sure how you were right about TDH at this point in proceedings
    Is it possible that they could both be outstanding horses Hein.?

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    He sends SOME of his poorer horse over to England to test out the level of the opposition, but this is of course also because there isn’t enough trials in Ireland. Lingfield especially, he hasn’t sent his best chance there.

    Look at the list of the Derrinstown winners, only three of the greatest Derby winners of recent times (two AOB) –

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_races_for_the_Epsom_Derby

    I’m far from saying Japan is a certainty, he’s far from it, but i wouldn’t read all that much into him going Derrinstown with two others.

    Hein – You can’t watch that Calyx win in the Pavilion and still maintain he would’ve won the Guineas? He’s far too fast for it, they chose the right path for him 100%.

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    Haha Hein, it’d be boring if we agreed on everything. Coolmore are a breeding empire, if anyone is going to have a chance of replacing Galileo, it is them. Camelot looks very promising, as does Australia! That’s all i’ve said. Nathan makes a good point with the mares Coolmore send to Galileo, Camelot + Australia would possibly be even better if he wasn’t around! Since 2009, AOB has had 4 Derby wins, 2 Galileo, and 2 other sires, so he isn’t doing too bad from other sires either!

    ..and of course Calyx would have bombed this lame 2000 G lineup, but his trainer was his worst enemy :wacko:
    At least I was right at one thing, as I wrote several months ago that Calyx is the outstanding class horse, not Too Damn Hot :good:

    Hein, how can you expect me to agree with you when you come out with such extreme statements like this?

    Ten Sovereigns has shown why John Gosden was probably right in his decision with Calyx.
    Again, as Nathan says nothings proven you right yet!

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    You three are probably right, and Jack gave a good bottom line that my statement was too extreme :bye:
    My thinking is that Calyx didn’t win the Pavillion for being a sprinter, but for being such a supreme class horse and that this class would have given him a good chance in the 2000, but I probably see this exclusively :unsure:
    Yes Nathan, we can agree on that somehow, but at least TDH is yet to show his class at 3y, and I wish you that it will happen :good: I see Calyx much better, but time will tell.

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    The last one 17 years ago though Kev! AOB doesn’t keep his best derby horses at home anymore.

    It was not a good sign they were looking to run all 3 fancied horses at home in the same race, so much so that they’ve actually changed their minds!! It now looks like AVD is going to Lingfield and Japan to the Dante!

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    There must be something wrong with Japan if they keep pushing his re appearance back

    The dante would be a cracker if Japan, line of duty and too darn hot all turn up

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    Looking forward to seeing AVD tomorrow.

    Any update on Quorto yet?

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    Couple of days ago Jack –

    As for stablemate Quorto, a return to action appears to be no closer at the moment with Appleby ruling the unbeaten Group 1 winner out of running at Royal Ascot next month.

    He said: “He is doing well, but there are no targets. His injury has settled down and he is doing well.

    “He is not going to Ascot and that is out of the picture. If I told you a date when he was going to be back I would only be making it up.”

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