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Will be interesting to see how Mirage Dancer gets on against Cliffs of Moher – I liked the way he ran on at Donny once he got the hang of things and the booking of Oisin Murphy is interesting for this very well related horse.
Sky Bet have pushed Tamleek out to 8/1 for the Chester Vase according to Oddschecker.
They are double the odds of almost everyone else with that price.
Are they aware that the horse has lost a leg or something?
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oddschecker wrong Steve
7/2 on skybet siteI did wonder about that Nathan, because he was 8/1 earlier with them, then the best price going was 7/2 across the boards, so it was odd that he would go back out again.
I was looking at Michael Stoute’s Mirage Dancer to see if he can give Cliffs Of Moher a race in the Dee Stakes. The son of Frankel made pretty hard work of winning on his debut over 7F but the step up in trip should help.
Mirage Dancer has a high knee action and although winners came out of his race, there was nothing worth talking about really. Victory Angel, who was third in that race, had looked like something with potential but after winning well off 81, he was thrashed as favourite off 92 next time.
On Racing Post Ratings Cliffs Of Moher is 17 lbs ahead and he has had Orderofthegarter franking his form already.
O’Brien’s exciting colt is perhaps his best Derby prospect by some chalk and he will be really hard to beat in the Dee Stakes you would think. Magician won the trial well but ultimately looked better over a mile and I just wonder if Cliffs Of Moher stays 12F in time? It’s put me off all Winter and I have missed the fancy odds now.
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I was looking at previous winners of the Vase last night and you have to go back to 2004 to find one that had previously raced over 12f before competing in the race. That was Red Lancer who had finished 2nd in a class 5 at Southwell.
I haven’t looked any further back than that yet so I don’t know how long the trend goes on for but that is a negative for Venice Beach and Count Octave in this race.I got a bit excited when I saw Tamleek at 8/1 last night on Oddschecker with 3 firms but soon realised this wasn’t to be true. He’s entered in the Derby and the Queens Vase at Ascot over 1m5f so it’s hard to gauge what is expected of him but he travelled strongly and didn’t look short of speed so fingers crossed he goes well here.
Stradivarius was second at Evens but it wasn’t a big deal either way. His form with Cracksman is a long time ago and the latter horse is light years clear now.
Anyway I backed Tamleek for the Chester Vase at 7/1 and then saw him at 8/1 today, so went in again. A little while ago Venice Beach and Cunco were pushed out and Tamleek is now a best priced 7/2 for tomorrow, which is what he should have been anyway.
His form has worked out well and he gave the impression that stepping up in trip would suit.
The Anvil kept good company last year but it took him six goes to get off the mark and that was in an awful maiden at Dundalk in March, where he only needed to run to 84 to win easily as 3/10 Fav.
Tamleek travelled well last time and as they were queuing up to take him on, it was he who picked up by far the best and readily won by four lengths.
After Guineas weekend, we saw how O’Brien fever has hit the markets and Alluringly looked short today for winning a weak looking maiden at Tipperary.
Knowing my luck Cracksman will win the Dante only for someone to think he might be better served in the Commonwealth Cup, taking on ghost horse Caravaggio.
I hope to see Tamleek at less than 33/1 for Epsom tomorrow.
Cliffs Of Moher is about 8/1 and he runs in a fairly weak looking Dee Stakes on Friday. He is pencilled in at 4/6 for that race and if he can’t win it then Epsom won’t be on the agenda. I still wonder if he will get a mile and a half, as he had plenty speed over 7F last time. I think he’s short enough for the Derby but he could be favourite by Friday evening.
Cliffs of Moher is my Derby pick at 12s a little while back.
Hopefully he absolutely romps home in the Dee stakes
He does need to win this comfortably. He did look very quick when slamming order of the garter which looks now cracking form. I think he may well be the ballydoyle derby horse but you would still have the doubt of him staying the derby trip although everbody and his granny in racing say it’s an easy 12f as if there is such a thing.
Venice Beach is very weak and from as low as 13/8 at one stage, he is now 11/4 and Tamleek is shading favouritism at 5/2 generally. The earlier 7/1 and 8/1 was clearly underestimating his chances.
Tamleek needs to come forward but he should do so and he still looked to be learning last time. I have never been keen on maiden winners at a mile and a half, they generally need further in time. Tamleek has won at 10f and on a sound surface, so he should not fail on that score. Fingers crossed for a change of luck. I am getting better than SP regularly but they won’t go and win one for me
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Looks like Aidan is at Chester today, form memory this is unusual and he usually has a ‘representative’ at the Chester May meeting.
Could be that he expects something special in the Vase or alternatively could be Deauville today or Cliffs of Moher tomorrow that requires his attendance.Venice Beach prevails with another good Moore ride, a 123 as well for O’Brien.
Another compliment to the form of my hope Titus, although I fear he’s opting for the Irish Derby instead…it’s a concern he hasn’t been out yet. Weld did mention he picked up an injury over the Winter, but here’s hoping he can go to Epsom.
Well that was annoying, I thought The Anvil had snatched it at the top of the straight and I believe he’ll win races this season when not used as a pacemaker.
I see little reason why the winner won’t be competitive in the Derby, I think the long straight at Epsom will suit but I wouldn’t pin my colours to the mast just yet with plenty of trials yet to come.
Where is the opposition?
Three mediocre colts do the 1-2-3 for O’Brien.
You would have thought Gosden had something better than Cunco to bring here. Where are the Varian, Stoute and Haggas contenders? They have squillions of quids worth of horses but are bringing nothing to the table in the classics year in year out. Haggas has always been the worst culprit in my opinion.
Anyway it was a dour performance really. Venice Beach was under the cosh for a fair way and the margins suggest it wasn’t a classy renewal.
12/1 for Venice Beach in the Derby looks too short to me but he is the same price for the St Leger, which makes some appeal. For once, Stan James are NOT the shortest, with today’s winner 10/1 with one firm.
I have Venice Beach at 50/1 for the St Leger, just £5 but I’ll be happy with that if he can do it.
Tamleek seemed to travel well enough, maybe he never came on at all from his last start but he was disappointing. Maybe he ran out of petrol, I would need to see it again to make a firm view on that.
I doubt Cliffs Of Moher and Cracksman were cacking themselves watching that race.
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Yep, some gutless cuts from a few firms. We’re fearless at 20/1.
The winner beats a few Ballydoyle horses who certainly won’t be with the stable next year. John Ryan and Mike de Kock already seen scrapping over who’ll get to train The Anvil next season. Another masterclass from Moore too, always in the right place.
Cliffs Of Moher and Cracksman now appear to be the only premium 12f horses left with ‘potential’.
If we assume that Churchill wont run (likely) and the two named above are not impressive in Dee and Dante then we are left with the somewhat improbable possibility that something from today or one of the ‘Derrinstown 3’ might actually win the Derby.I see Tartini is taking in the Derby Trial at Lingfield on Saturday against Sir John Lavery
Sir John Lavery is 14’s for the Derby itself, I wonder what price Tartini will be when he hacks up and Dettori tells the world he’s a better horse than Cracksman…
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Venice Beach is a half-brother to Danedream who likewise got better with her racing. Moore pulled the whip through and just had the shake him up when The Anvil quickened but quickly got back on the third’s hind quarters.
I won’t be getting involved (I want to wait until the Dee & Lingfield Derby Trial are done) but I also won’t be dismissing the winner who will be a better horse for this experience.
Added Cliffs of Moher @ 16’s to win
That makes 3 now with
SJL E/W @ 50’s. Win @ 33’s,28.0 25’s, 20’s & 16’s
Cracksman E/W @ 33’s, 25’s & 20’sHopefully on the day of the race i’m not looking about for something to get my money back on.
Laid off all Cracksman bets now between 8.0 – 9.0 for a free bet and a very good win if he wins. Just got my doubts now with him.
Laid off COM @ 7.4 for free betSJL has been substituted by Crystal Ocean @ 33’s 32.0 and 25’s
Dante should have a big say in things, as well as Churchill’s plans and also possibly OOTG could enter the picture if running well on Sunday
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