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- May 7, 2017 at 16:47 #1299904
Now the B team have ran , it’s time to release the beast
That is a joke by the way.
May 7, 2017 at 22:04 #1299956It looks like Cracksman will go to the Dante.
I am not expecting much to emerge from the trials at Chester this week, judging by the entries and the standard of Aidan’s Derrinstown squad today.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 8, 2017 at 01:27 #1299969Cracksman will land the blow, even if Mr. Judge keeps on being ignorant about him..
May 8, 2017 at 13:08 #1300005Surely after the Derrinstown yesterday Reklindling looks tempting at 20/1? He quickened well after being tight for room to get past Douglas Macarthur (who we now know is a hard horse to get past) in the Ballysax.
May 8, 2017 at 13:47 #1300015No Derby for Akihiro or Waldgeist now.
Recoletos readily disposed of both of them in the Greffulhe today.
As I said earlier, my Akihiro bet was an Angstrom from the bin, now it’s in there and “Empty Trash” has been pressed.
Akihiro sat at the back all the way and struggled to pick up. He was close behind runner up Waldgeist but neither could match Recoletos for kick. Waldgeist should have been suited by the very soft ground but was readily outpointed today. Akihiro is disappointingly small and looks not to have progressed from last year.
I’m happy with Cracksman for now. The French challenge has evaporated over the last two days.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 8, 2017 at 14:41 #1300023Sir John Lavery priced up quite short for Chester Vase
If I could put up a few against it, I would mention Tamleek, who was impressive at the Craven meeting, Venice Beach, who is related to an arc winner, and another horse of Godolphins called Secret Advisor, he won a weak race last time but I was impressed with the way he did it staying from off the pace
I wonder why though the bookies price these races up in advance? Currently there are 18 runners but that will surely fall to about half once final declarations are up. Why would you want to have a punt in this three days in advance when you have no idea if the horse is going to run or not and you lose money if it doesn’t run?

Although Ante-Post it’s hardly like betting on say Churchill for the guineas when you know the horse is being aimed at the race and will run unless it gets injured.
May 8, 2017 at 14:48 #1300028duplicate
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 8, 2017 at 14:49 #1300029Another one that is interesting if he runs if Count octave, ok the form is gash but the breeding is very nice, being a half brother to Treasure Beach who I believe already won this race.
May 8, 2017 at 16:06 #1300038One of my mates asked me why I had ruled out Akihiro and Waldgeist straight after the Greffulhe. It’s hard to explain, it’s just instinct I guess.
Anyway, Waldgeist has been pushed out to 33/1 and Akihiro to 66/1. Neither price interests me.
Today’s winner Recoletos was a good winner and the trainer is thinking of supplementing him for the French Derby.
The race video is on the French Racing thread on the main forum if anyone want’s to watch it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 8, 2017 at 16:50 #1300040Sir John Lavery priced up quite short for Chester Vase
SJL also entered at Lingfield on Saturday. Pot luck where he goes ATM
May 9, 2017 at 11:17 #1300127Can’t see why cracksman is so short and horses like cliff of moher longer. we should know more after this week’s trials but right now Rekindling looks the best value in the race and i might have a wee ew dabble.
May 9, 2017 at 14:09 #1300147Quite a few runners in the chester vase. O’Brien has four in there. Would he be running so many if they were any good?
Venice Beach was a horse on my radar from last season. However looking at his win last time he doesn’t look the most steerable, which makes you wonder about the tight turns of Chester. I think if he can win here then he becomes a strong contender for the derby. On paper he has cunco to beat but I’m not so sure, there are other interesting contenders.
Tamleek at 8-1 is borderline insulting. The question is whether or not I trust Bin Suroor. Godolphin seem to send him all the duds these days and all the pearls to Appleby.
May 9, 2017 at 14:52 #1300161I suppose O’Brien is trying to find out where he stands with them as they all look much of a muchness. I’d be more keen to back The Anvil at 7/1 than Venice Beach at 5/2. If you choose to ignore his run in the Racing Post Trophy when he just didn’t give his running then he brings the best 2 year old form into the race. Don’t forget he went close in a Newmarket Group 2 and a Group 3.
May 9, 2017 at 23:19 #1300209I suppose O’Brien is trying to find out where he stands with them as they all look much of a muchness. I’d be more keen to back The Anvil at 7/1 than Venice Beach at 5/2. If you choose to ignore his run in the Racing Post Trophy when he just didn’t give his running then he brings the best 2 year old form into the race. Don’t forget he went close in a Newmarket Group 2 and a Group 3.
I backed Venice Beach for the St Leger at 50/1. I don’t see him as Derby Quality and I want to take him on.
Venice Beach earned a rating of 88 for being runner up to Titus last year from the Racing Post. Two runs on from that he is on 90, only 2 lbs higher and they need to be over 100 after three runs in my mind to be Derby material.
I like Tamleek. He won well last time and four horses from that race have won.
As Charles says, The Anvil has decent form but I feel he’s more exposed than Tamleek. Tamleek gave me the look of potentially the “Hawkbill” of Godolphin’s 3yo’s this year. 7/1 will do for me.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 10, 2017 at 13:13 #1300243Hopefully, Stradivarius can give another nod to Cracksman’s form in the 4:05 at Chester today although he has to give weight of between 6-13lbs to all of his rivals.
May 10, 2017 at 17:09 #1300261Stradivarius was second at Evens but it wasn’t a big deal either way. His form with Cracksman is a long time ago and the latter horse is light years clear now.
Anyway I backed Tamleek for the Chester Vase at 7/1 and then saw him at 8/1 today, so went in again. A little while ago Venice Beach and Cunco were pushed out and Tamleek is now a best priced 7/2 for tomorrow, which is what he should have been anyway.
His form has worked out well and he gave the impression that stepping up in trip would suit.
The Anvil kept good company last year but it took him six goes to get off the mark and that was in an awful maiden at Dundalk in March, where he only needed to run to 84 to win easily as 3/10 Fav.
Tamleek travelled well last time and as they were queuing up to take him on, it was he who picked up by far the best and readily won by four lengths.
After Guineas weekend, we saw how O’Brien fever has hit the markets and Alluringly looked short today for winning a weak looking maiden at Tipperary.
Knowing my luck Cracksman will win the Dante only for someone to think he might be better served in the Commonwealth Cup, taking on ghost horse Caravaggio.

I hope to see Tamleek at less than 33/1 for Epsom tomorrow.
Cliffs Of Moher is about 8/1 and he runs in a fairly weak looking Dee Stakes on Friday. He is pencilled in at 4/6 for that race and if he can’t win it then Epsom won’t be on the agenda. I still wonder if he will get a mile and a half, as he had plenty speed over 7F last time. I think he’s short enough for the Derby but he could be favourite by Friday evening.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 10, 2017 at 17:54 #1300267Stradivarius was second at Evens but it wasn’t a big deal either way. His form with Cracksman is a long time ago and the latter horse is light years clear now.
Anyway I backed Tamleek for the Chester Vase at 7/1 and then saw him at 8/1 today, so went in again. A little while ago Venice Beach and Cunco were pushed out and Tamleek is now a best priced 7/2 for tomorrow, which is what he should have been anyway.
His form has worked out well and he gave the impression that stepping up in trip would suit.
The Anvil kept good company last year but it took him six goes to get off the mark and that was in an awful maiden at Dundalk in March, where he only needed to run to 84 to win easily as 3/10 Fav.
Tamleek travelled well last time and as they were queuing up to take him on, it was he who picked up by far the best and readily won by four lengths.
After Guineas weekend, we saw how O’Brien fever has hit the markets and Alluringly looked short today for winning a weak looking maiden at Tipperary.
Knowing my luck Cracksman will win the Dante only for someone to think he might be better served in the Commonwealth Cup, taking on ghost horse Caravaggio.

I hope to see Tamleek at less than 33/1 for Epsom tomorrow.
Cliffs Of Moher is about 8/1 and he runs in a fairly weak looking Dee Stakes on Friday. He is pencilled in at 4/6 for that race and if he can’t win it then Epsom won’t be on the agenda. I still wonder if he will get a mile and a half, as he had plenty speed over 7F last time. I think he’s short enough for the Derby but he could be favourite by Friday evening.
Cliffs of Moher is my Derby pick at 12s a little while back.
Hopefully he absolutely romps home in the Dee stakes
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