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My favourite horse was ridiculously impressive today even if it was a weak field.
That turn of foot was incredible.
I have Fas already at 16s and a couple of multiples from Caravaggio at 7/2 for this but I’m playing the 6/4 Caravaggio from now until Ascot in my multiples. Super horse
You can see why, although they were tempted to try him in a Guineas, they were afraid he might lose that brilliance (as Aidan put it). Although we will never know what went wrong, as he regressed rather than didn’t train on, and it could have been something physical but it could also have been something mental, and it may be in the back of their minds that they soured Air Force Blue last year by trying to stretch him out to a mile.
Isn’t anyone concerned about the poor standard of field Caravaggio thrashed on Sunday?
This was a Group 3 race but there were not even any Group 3 horses in the race.
Khukri won the Listed race where Pshychedelic Funk ran like a low grade handicapper. That is the best level of success from the opposition. Wouldn’t we expect a group 1 winner to whip a Listed race winner.
Khukri’s form looks questionable. In winning that Listed race she was raised a whopping 17 lbs. On Sunday the Racing Post had her as running to 95, ie 12 lbs lower. Isn’t it looking more likely that she never really warranted that rise in the first place?
Gorane also ran below his new mark, to the tune of 7 lbs, again casting a question mark on his 16 lbs raise for the Listed race run.
I think the best thing to note is that Caravaggio has run pretty much to his Coventry form with Psychedelic Funk in terms of distance he beat him. The worry with trusting that is that Psychedelic Funk was beaten at odds on by Peace Envoy next time he ran and Peace Envoy is clearly no world beater. Psychedelic Funk then ran to 86 and 66 on his next two starts. It all seems a bit to convenient to believe he suddenly found his very best form of 102 again behind Caravaggio.
Just things that bother me about backing Caravaggio at short odds now. That was a mediocre field for a Group 3 and Caravaggio had every right to dismantle it the way he did. I think raising Caravaggio 3 lbs for that win (As the Racing Post have done) is basing the figure on a very fragile platform.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Isn’t anyone concerned about the poor standard of field Caravaggio thrashed on Sunday?
This was a Group 3 race but there were not even any Group 3 horses in the race.
Khukri won the Listed race where Pshychedelic Funk ran like a low grade handicapper. That is the best level of success from the opposition. Wouldn’t we expect a group 1 winner to whip a Listed race winner.
Khukri’s form looks questionable. In winning that Listed race she was raised a whopping 17 lbs. On Sunday the Racing Post had her as running to 95, ie 12 lbs lower. Isn’t it looking more likely that she never really warranted that rise in the first place?
Gorane also ran below his new mark, to the tune of 7 lbs, again casting a question mark on his 16 lbs raise for the Listed race run.
I think the best thing to note is that Caravaggio has run pretty much to his Coventry form with Psychedelic Funk in terms of distance he beat him. The worry with trusting that is that Psychedelic Funk was beaten at odds on by Peace Envoy next time he ran and Peace Envoy is clearly no world beater. Psychedelic Funk then ran to 86 and 66 on his next two starts. It all seems a bit to convenient to believe he suddenly found his very best form of 102 again behind Caravaggio.
Just things that bother me about backing Caravaggio at short odds now. That was a mediocre field for a Group 3 and Caravaggio had every right to dismantle it the way he did. I think raising Caravaggio 3 lbs for that win (As the Racing Post have done) is basing the figure on a very fragile platform.
Sometimes I believe you have to go with your eye rather than what the form says. Caravggio was visually superb yesterday.
I’m just gonna keep playing him now for the CC. Love the horse. A genuine superstar since his very first race.
I’ve been a big fan since his Dundalk win on poor ground. That time suggested he was a Coventry Stakes winner in the making.
He tore them apart that day and he will do so again next month.
I have watched the race back about five times now, and i have never done that ever. When i watched it live i thought he was struggling and then whoosh. Not often i can recall saying ” bloody hell ” during a horse race.
It was just something about it that was not normal. Yeah the other horses were not the best, but still they will of been going pretty quick, and he went from being 5 lengths down to be in the lead in about 5 seconds with no effort at all.
I have watched the race back about five times now, and i have never done that ever. When i watched it live i thought he was struggling and then whoosh. Not often i can recall saying ” bloody hell ” during a horse race.
It was just something about it that was not normal. Yeah the other horses were not the best, but still they will of been going pretty quick, and he went from being 5 lengths down to be in the lead in about 5 seconds with no effort at all.
I can’t think of a more visually impressive turn of foot since Lady Aurelia at Royal Ascot last year
I have watched the race back about five times now, and i have never done that ever. When i watched it live i thought he was struggling and then whoosh. Not often i can recall saying ” bloody hell ” during a horse race.
It was just something about it that was not normal. Yeah the other horses were not the best, but still they will of been going pretty quick, and he went from being 5 lengths down to be in the lead in about 5 seconds with no effort at all.
I can’t think of a more visually impressive turn of foot since Lady Aurelia at Royal Ascot last year
Harry Angel showed an equally impressive turn of foot just yesterday at Haydock, he absolutely blitzed them. That run not only puts him within 2lbs of Caravaggio, but also gives Blue Point a massive boost going into this. Although Harry Angel undoubtedly improved for his debut behind Blue Point, its hard to believe Blue Point wont find further improvement himself for the run.
Harry Angel will be better for a lead too. Nothing was quick enough for him to sit in behind yesterday but the Commonwealth should be run at a pace in which he should find plenty of cover, he still needs to learn how to switch off and that is his one weakness at the moment.
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Harry Angel will be better for a lead too. Nothing was quick enough for him to sit in behind yesterday but the Commonwealth should be run at a pace in which he should find plenty of cover, he still needs to learn how to switch off and that is his one weakness at the moment.
He will indeed Nathan, a strong pace will play into many of the runner’s strengths, not least Caravaggio’s.
The other protagonists look more straightforward in riding than Harry Angel, he is still mentally not grown up yet but he is getting there. I just hope they all turn up as it’s a mouthwatering encounter not to be missed.
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I hope Harry Angel runs because it might make Caravaggio a better price!!
I can’t see the odds of Caravaggio getting much better Raymo.
I still feel he beat trees last time and he will have to face much tougher opponents here.
The official ratings show that there is nowhere near as much in hand for Caravaggio this time around. He himself went up 2 lbs for winning a group 3 that had no group 3 winning opposition in it. That took his official rating to 118. Sandy Lane winner Harry Angel went up 4 lbs to 114 and Blue Point, who beat him in the Pavilion, is rated 116. French raider Fas is Racing Post rated 113 and seems a very different horse this year. The filly he beat went on to win the French 1000 Guineas.
That’s four horses in a 5 lbs spread and as much as Caravaggio splatted his opponents last time, wouldn’t we all be all over Harry Angel and Blue Point to do exactly the same to a field with nothing better than a dodgy looking Listed winner in it?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Agree that this race is competitive although Caravaggio (who incidently is the chaser paul sinha’s favourite painter
) deserves to be favourite- he is after all unbeaten, and has royal ascot formI think the strength of this race and then you compare it to the derby in terms of quality, rather makes me think that Tom Segal is right when he says that the success of this race is to the detriment of middle distance three year olds- all the obsession with speed in general can only weaken the breed in the long term.
I’ve just read Harry Angel was sold to Godolphin which appears quite odd to me.
Has anyone background infos or assessments on this?
I would be very thankful!I’ve just read Harry Angel was sold to Godolphin which appears quite odd to me.
Has anyone background infos or assessments on this?
I would be very thankful!I read that too on Racing Post. Personally I thought it was on the cards but apparently Godolphin havent disclosed the fee…must have been pretty large….I wonder how they now rank Blue Point and Harry Angel
Perhaps they watched Caravaggio and felt they needed another arrow in their quiver.
They do seem quite impulsive towards anything that looks talented. If QVC sold horses, Godolphin would be tuned to that Channel 24/7.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
) deserves to be favourite- he is after all unbeaten, and has royal ascot form
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