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There is a fascinating article on the Coolmore Web Site,News section where Aidan discusses his waywardness in training So You Think.Well worth reading and digesting.
Says he was wrong thinking SYT was best running along not breaking stride, and they should’ve ridden him for speed….but they put in a pacemaker running along up front.
Do these blokes actually know what the hell they are doing???
Such a shame you never saw the best of SYT in the UK.
If Bart was training him I’d bet my nuts he trains the speed and turn of foot back into him and he aims straight at Frankel in whatever race Frankel is contesting at Ascot.
It boggles my brain, it’s about the ratio of risk to reward, they paid a fair bit of money for this horse and they have tarnished his reputation in Europe by not training him properly, not aiming him at the right races, not riding him properly in the races he went for.
In my opinion by training him for speed and having a crack at Frankel on the uphill mile at Ascot they stand to lose nothing in terms of his stallion career if they don’t beat him. SYT’s stallion career in Australia was always assurred….the whole point of paying the big bucks and going to Europe was to make him a shuttle stallion. So what sort of a stallion career does SYT have in Europe as things stand now I wonder???
But if he ran Frankel down over a mile…….different story!
Beat the so called ‘greatest horse of all time’ over his pet distance and people realise the dirt track efforts were an abberation and bang you’ve got your shuttle stallion. Lose to him and you’ve still got your stallion career in Australia. IE.nothing would change.
No brainer if you ask me – just cannot understand their decisions with this horse at all.
So it’s taken 10 runs to get to know him? That’s a lot no?
Maybe they should have watched videos of his previous runs in OZ. Oh well you live and learn I suppose.
Love to see him take Frankel on in the QA but doubt it will happen. I think we all know what would happen.
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It boggles my brain, it’s about the ratio of risk to reward, they paid a fair bit of money for this horse and they have tarnished his reputation in Europe by not training him properly, not aiming him at the right races, not riding him properly in the races he went for.
This is why i’ve struggled to attain any affection for the horse since it arrived in Europe, and also turning a deaf ear whenever AOB has hit the hype button. ( or the ‘ paper the cracks ‘ button )
In group 1 terms let’s be honest the thing’s a boat……Every time AOB is asked a question he goes completely off the subject and goes straight into Shed mode…….So You think could lose 3 races before the end of the season and AOB would still have us believe he’s the best thing since slice bread.
Most over rated lump of lard ever
So it’s taken 10 runs to get to know him? That’s a lot no?
Mate don’t listen to him he still hasn’t worked him out. If there was any truth to that statement of Aiden’s he wouldn’t have entered a pacemaker on the weekend. His embarrassing trip to Australia with Septimus a few years back showed he’s ignorant/stubborn&pigheaded especially reinforced by his comments and attitude afterwards.
Think you can just rock up and run Aussie stayers off their feet with an English stayer? Hahaa got it completely wrong then, just like with SYT now.
Far from me to tell Aidan O’ Brien what to do, but running the horse at The Breeders Cup and at Meydan, hardly has the horses best interests at heart now does it. Greed.
So You Think’s win looked impressive to my eyes yesterday. I know he beat Famous Name, who has yet to win a Group 1, but he did so very easily.
Unless Frankel is re-routed to the Prince Of Wales, which is unlikely, given SHC’s latest comments, then So You Think has an outstanding chance of winning the Royal Ascot race this time round. Cirrus Des Aigles would appear to be the main stumbling block.
The idea of Aidan O’Brien reverting to a mile with in order to take on Frankel is just sheer lunacy.
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anybody who slates syt is just looking for an argument imo. "most useless lump of lard ever" is a pathetic comment. the horse can only do what the trainer and jockey prepare it to do.
to me, his form is strong enough for any of our races have to offer. hes beaten a derby and arc winner, oaks/irish oaks/blah blah blah, the list goes on for a quite some time.
i think his only patchy form comes from the different surfaces he has ran on. maybe this is aob’s greediness in trying to get as much prize money from him as possible.
as ive said before, i think this is one of the few horses that can go close to frankel, even though i dont think they will ever meet.
i know i will be keeping the faith and backing him next time out. out of all the trainers in the world, i find you always get your moneys worth with aob. he is the man!
Pretty much a replica of his win in the same race last season.
He’d be on my short list in any 10f Group 1 this season, not a legend of the (European) turf but a very solid Group 1 turf performer.
Even forgetting his Aussie form SYT has won 4 Group 1’s and been a close runner up in two others since been purchased by Coolmore.
Add in a Group 3 win, and i certainly wish a Boat / Lump of Lard would wing its way in to my ownership anytime soon.
to me, his form is strong enough for any of our races have to offer. hes beaten a derby and arc winner, oaks/irish oaks/blah blah blah, the list goes on for a quite some time.
Beat last year’s King George winner too…quite a list!
Doesn’t really say much for the fabled English middle distance galloping ranks that despite being trained aimed and ridden all wrong an Aussie ‘boat’ was able to come across (by sea?) and ‘reel them in’ so to speak.
The Aussie boat as I call him lost 5 out of his 10 races his win over those you mention came when?
He beat Workforce who wasn’t half the horse he was when winning the Derby and Arc which was blatantly obvious when beaten by Nathanial and then finishing 15 lengths down the field in his second Arc.
He beat Snow Fairy by a mere 1/2 length when Ed Dunlop told the entire racing world his horse would badly need the run. She reversed the placing with him in the Arc when she was almost fit.
So in reality he beat nothing of note and when tried at the highest lever against fit horses he was well and truly beaten.
When he first came over to the UK I was discussing him with my Aussie racing buddies who I spend a helluva lot of time with and they said he was nothing special and that the horse to look out for was Black Caviar……..they got it spot on as far as I am concerned.
At the top level So You Think is lacking and all this garbage about if he was trained by Bart he’d do this and that is complete and utter nonsense.
If AOB and partners can’t get him to win the top races no one can.
Saying he is the most over rated lump of lard is not a slag on him as much it is on AOB who said he was one very special horse, the best in the world, he can walk on water, he’s pegausus reincarnated, or whatever other sh!t he came up with.
The truth is he falls well below top class. He may well win the Prince of Wales but then he will struggle and any thoughts of him winning the real races like the King George or even running in the Arc are strictly for the birds.
Does the Coal Eclipse count as a real race Mr.H. Gurdyman, or is it just the races he was second in that are real races?
Does the Coal Eclipse count as a real race Mr.H. Gurdyman, or is it just the races he was second in that are real races?
Beating a Derby winner in the Eclipse in the year the horse regressed is not a massive achievement.
Sad that we never had the chance to watch Harbinger’s possible progression into the halls of justly celebrated legends.
Funny but it was only after he was beaten that that arguement was used to down the winner. In fact most race readers were very impressed by the Derby winners previous race that year.
Its debatable Workforce didn’t run to form in the Eclipse. I don’t think so personally, it was always so visually obvious when Workforce didn’t run his best. Either running like a drain (in the KG at 3 for example) or hanging appallingly in the KG at 4. He looked to run his race at Sandown to me.
I don’t think anyone can really accuse Coolmore of aiming SYT at weak races, and only a complete numpty (come on HGM you know it!) would class the Eclipse or Irish Champion Stakes as not top class Group 1 races.
Surely SYT was the best 10f horse in the UK & Ireland last season? Is that official?
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