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- May 3, 2025 at 23:44 #1729367
How many runners at each course? Larger fields will obviously have a lower percentage of front runners winning because there will always be just one leader, whereas the number of hold up horses varies.
Also wind speed and direction has a big say at open / heath courses. When there’s a tailwind front running is a massive advantage. The reverse is obviously true for headwinds.But as far as betting goes it does not really matter what percentage of ALL races are won by front runners. Because nobody bets in every race. I just find it easier to identify the races that WILL suit front / prominent runners at Newmarket than with most other courses; including a 109/1 winner.
Value Is EverythingMay 4, 2025 at 00:08 #1729368Quite a weekend for Godolphin. Kentucky Oaks yesterday, 2,000 Guineas this afternoon and now they have won the Kentucky Derby!
May 4, 2025 at 00:12 #1729369
Thanks Cork
Was waiting on that result.
Brilliant day for the boys in blue
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...May 4, 2025 at 00:20 #1729370“A 100% miler shouldn’t be getting beaten by a possible 12f horse over a mile”.
So you’re saying:
Delegator should have beaten Sea The Stars.
French Fifteen should have beaten Camelot.
Tamburlaine should have beaten Golan.
etc etc.And what about Yellow God being beaten by the 8 to 14f horse, Nijinsky?
Fact is some horses are effective at multiple distances.
Others are only effective at one trip.Value Is EverythingMay 4, 2025 at 00:44 #1729371Nijinsky and Sea The Stars were all time greats. I doubt yesterday’s winner is in their league but we will see.
Camelot’s year was a poor Guineas.
I am not sure what the argument is about. The winner got a good ride, the runner up got a moderate ride and probably would have won under a better ride. That is all there is to it.
You have not exactly been Mr Shoemark’s greatest admirer yourself, looking at your comments on the thread in the Horse Racing section.
May 4, 2025 at 01:42 #1729375I am certainly not Shoemark’s greatest admirer CAS, but I’ll judge each ride on its own merits. Including taking into account each horse’s temperament and the temperaments of his rivals. I have said Shoemark made a mistake on FOG, I just don’t see it as an “abysmal” one given all the circumstances.
Value Is EverythingMay 4, 2025 at 06:27 #1729379Ginger, don’t make it sound like I said it was an “abysmal” ride by Shoemark. My full statement was “It wasn’t an abysmal ride by Shoemark but it wasn’t good either.” I also wrote “the runner up got a moderate ride and probably would have won under a better ride.”
It came down to fine margins. Buick got it right, Shoemark didn’t. Which is essentially what the report in the “Racing Post” says.
Mistakes do happen. Unfortunately they are more costly in one of the most significant Group 1s of the season than they are in a maiden at Brighton.
As I said on the other thread, I genuinely feel bad for Shoemark but I was not convinced he was an elite level jockey when he was appointed to the role and yesterday didn’t do anything to change my mind.
May 4, 2025 at 11:06 #1729392Sorry, you’ve taken it the wrong way CAS.
What I meant was:We agree.
It was a mistake, but not an abysmal ride.Value Is Everything - AuthorPosts
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