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    A 100% miler shouldn’t be getting beaten by a possible 12f horse over a mile.

    It wasn’t an abysmal ride by Shoemark but it wasn’t good either.

    The best horse at the distance was beaten and should have won. And would have done under a better ride by a better jockey.

    It comes down to fine margins and the better jockey gave his horse a good ride.

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    He got him settled fine (compared to the Craven) but waiting until you are going into the dip to make your move against quickening rivals with a tailwind was a poor tactical decision.

    The mark of a great jockey is having a pre-race plan and then being flexible enough to change it mid race if things aren’t going as you envisaged – I don’t think winding him up from 2F out was an overly difficult decision to make mid race but then it is quite possible he was rather too over confident given how he won the Craven and overdid the waiting tactics.

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    There is also the small matter of the good / good to firm ground which today favoured the winner over the second. ;-)

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    Exactly LD73.

    It was the overconfidence from the Craven which cost him today. A silly mistake to make considering how good we know Ruling Court is.

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    I think Barzalona went too early on a horse he didn’t know. He made up his ground incredibly quickly. If Buick had chosen SOL I think he would have won on him also. As maybe would have Doyle…

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    When Buick said ‘Go’ on Ruling Court Shoemark didn’t move a muscle on FOG, when he finally woke up it was all over his chance had gone.

    Buick knows that track like the back of his hand and knows exactly when to ask his horse to pull out. What’s the point of positioning yourself behind the top jockey if you don’t match his move.

    As Gosden said through gritted teeth.. ‘he ran out of track’.

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    RUK presenters at Newmarket (including Lydia surprisingly) all bottled it as well – finding every excuse from feeling the ground, not enough pace, if he had gone a few strides earlier he might have won to didn’t pick up when asked but pretty much absolving the jockey of any blame.

    Must have all been watching a different race or simply don’t want to upset the connections in case it cost them interviews or access to them in the future………weak.

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    Only just caught the race and to be perfectly honest haven’t watched any of the flat until today. Looked a bad ride from Shoemark. I’ve always thought you need to be fairly handy at Newmarket when its quick, they just don’t tend to come back. The two Godolphin horses got going while he sat on the bridle near the back. You won’t pick them up and he didn’t. Poor ride.

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    Shadow Of Light should be aimed at the Commonwealth Cup now imo. Showed a blistering turn of foot but just didn’t get home.

    8/1 currently. I might take some of that.

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    Shoemark felt the favourite struggled in the dip and suggested a step up in trip might suit. He said: “Field Of Gold travelled really well but just lost it in the Dip for a few strides and he took his time to find his feet. He stayed on well and he’ll be a ten-furlong horse in time.”

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    …and Buick will be back on board GM23 :good: Sounds a decent bet.

    Back to the 2000 Guineas interesting to note that Expanded finished 7 lengths behind Shadow Of Light after getting within a neck of him in the Dewhurst with Seagulls Eleven in 4th. Showing how much Shadow Of Light has improved over the season and how backward the O”Brien horses are at present.

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    If you’re closer at the finish than any other part of the race you’ve probably got it wrong.
    Shoemark is a good jockey, Buick is world class.
    It’d be interesting if they meet over 10f. Also interesting that we have a horse who has a little triple crown potential.

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    “Field Of Gold travelled really well but just lost it in the Dip for a few strides and he took his time to find his feet. He stayed on well and he’ll be a ten-furlong horse in time.”

    Kieran Shoemark for PM Mike :yahoo: He definitely should have gone further and faster this afternoon.
    Watching it again I thought he handled the Dip really well and picked up nicely, but the winner had flown.

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    “Must have all been watching a different race or simply don’t want to upset the connections in case it cost them interviews or access to them in the future”.

    If a French jockey had delivered such a ride on on favourite, the oh so courageous press pack would be gleefully putting the boot in. Think of Freddie Head and Thierry Doumen.

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    “Shoemark felt the favourite struggled in the dip and suggested a step up in trip might suit.”

    To paraphrase the late, great Mandy Rice Davies once again “He would say that, wouldn’t he?”

    He is not going to say “Actually I was too far back, asked my horse for his effort too late and I let my main market rival get first run on me”, is he?

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    Gosden’s take:

    “The race probably wasn’t run in fast fractions and we were sitting some way back. Quite frankly the winner has kicked and gone and we’ve run out of racetrack.

    This track, when it gets firm like this, it rides slick, it always has and when you get a bit of a cross-tailwind they can get away from you and the winner has I’m afraid, as they came into the dip. We were clawing it back, but it was too late.

    The race was lost going into the dip, we got caught too far back“.

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    “Expanded had to plough his own furrow for a long way, which can be hard to do there”,

    Opposite is true.”

    GT, I don’t think the ‘opposite’ IS true- below is a table of some of the top courses showing win strike rate % for horses that led (given a pace abbreviation of ‘L’ in Proform – they give three, L for led, P for prominent or H for held up). Newmarket is Rowley Mile only, all trips up to and including a mile – all other courses trips up to a mile and same calendar months that they race over the Rowley Mile (to eliminate any potential summer ground bias). This was 2024 season.

    Newmarket Rowley Mile track came out third toughest for leaders to sustain the lead from the front after Haydock and Ascot.

    Haydock 15.52
    Ascot 17.02
    Nmkt 19.67
    York 21.62
    Sandown 22.22
    Don’ter 25.93
    Newbury 27.66

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