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- July 1, 2017 at 18:57 #1307263
Shrewd Sunspangled

Speaking of the ‘right races’, watch out for Eeyore’s mate debuting on the 27th at Leopardstown.
Unless of course nobody cares……
July 1, 2017 at 19:03 #1307266Boz will you start up a thread mate miss you at DLPS hope been good
July 1, 2017 at 19:24 #1307268Boz will you start up a thread mate miss you at DLPS hope been good
Genuine pleasure to hear you say that me little Dazzler
It’s definitely something I’ll look into if my time allows.July 2, 2017 at 10:28 #1307321Not lost heart in my horse even though 2nd chuck a pacemaker for him so he not do the donkey work and return to 7f see him improve even more.
July 2, 2017 at 11:06 #1307328Not lost heart in my horse even though 2nd chuck a pacemaker for him so he not do the donkey work and return to 7f see him improve even more.
I think Verbal dexterity is a good bet for the dewhurst later in the year given the trainers outstanding record on the race, so you’re sitting on another good one Dazzer
July 2, 2017 at 11:20 #1307335Not lost heart in my horse even though 2nd chuck a pacemaker for him so he not do the donkey work and return to 7f see him improve even more.
True Daz you shouldn’t. He looked green as grass on debut so the drop back to 6 could have been intended as educational more than anything. Certainly seemed to sharpen him up and he ran a good race in defeat. Betvictor pushing him out to 33s seemed an overreaction to me.
On to my fella Gustav Klimt today though. The form of Would Be King ties in with the best of the 2 year old form on offer. If my lad’s improved enough to get his nose in front today then he definitely comes into the conversation for this
July 2, 2017 at 14:27 #1307376Not lost heart in my horse even though 2nd chuck a pacemaker for him so he not do the donkey work and return to 7f see him improve even more.
True Daz you shouldn’t. He looked green as grass on debut so the drop back to 6 could have been intended as educational more than anything. Certainly seemed to sharpen him up and he ran a good race in defeat. Betvictor pushing him out to 33s seemed an overreaction to me.
On to my fella Gustav Klimt today though. The form of Would Be King ties in with the best of the 2 year old form on offer. If my lad’s improved enough to get his nose in front today then he definitely comes into the conversation for this

Couldn’t be happier with how my lad put his race to bed. As I eluded to, putting clear distance between himself and Would Be King is serious form.
Can’t help but feel we’ll be butting heads in the Tyros at the end of the month Daz
July 2, 2017 at 16:05 #1307397I’ve had a bet on Gustav Klimt at 33/1.
He showed a typical huge leap forward from race 1 to 2 for sire Galileo today. The 7th Furlong also helped him today and I feel he’s not yet 100% ready and will improve again on his next start. I like the way he moves when he hits top gear and he appeals as a type to train on at 3YO, which some of those in the Guineas betting do not.
I mean, who could seriously prefer De Bruyne Horse as a Guineas bet at the same odds as Gustav Klimt?
Ryan Moore says there is more to come from this colt and the runner up had placed form with Beckford and Brother Bear.
I feel another win could see Gustav Klimt as clear favourite for the 2000 Guineas and horses like Beckford and Murillo may well be 6F horses, unlikely to be certain milers next year. It looks to me that Gustav Klimt is nailed on to get a mile. He’s not up with the best yet, but he’s not far off and that magical Galileo breeding makes him the one for me in a year where it is lacking for top quality colts thus far.
Gustav Klimt 33/1 is a good starting point for me.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
July 2, 2017 at 16:24 #1307405Looked smart didn’t he? Seemed a bit flashier already than the more professional looking Churchill. I agree though, I think he’s still a knocking bet at 33s, even with only a maiden under his belt.
July 2, 2017 at 16:27 #1307408Indeed, 33/1 is a rare example of ante-post value I’d say. We’ve added him in at 20/1.
July 2, 2017 at 21:21 #1307452VERBAL DEXTERITY 33/1
Normally at Ascot you see the Coventry winner be fav for this race but doubt this years winner will get a 1m trainer think 7f be best trip for him.A filly won the Chesham when you think the guineas winner won that race last year.There is irish derby this week and normally at that maiden a smart 2yo comes alive.
But for me this Bolger horse looks a really good horse won maiden by 9L and yes might not be strong race the best thing about it was way he finish he just power away in final furlong. when he run in group races this year i see there be faster horses than him in early part of race but when it comes to final furlong i do doubt if any finish like him. when you think AOB has not so far got a top 2yo colt i get the feeling he try and convert a derby horse into a guineas type.And think Bolger could win 2000 guineas again.
Any views guys
I was so impressed by his maiden win and he had a good race on a shorter distance than what he wants. I’ve had a bet on him at 25/1 and I rarely do ante-post, but too impressed by him.
July 2, 2017 at 22:50 #1307483The 33/1 is all gone on Gustav Klimt. Bet365 cut him from 33/1 to 20/1.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
July 3, 2017 at 10:07 #1307513Not lost heart in my horse even though 2nd chuck a pacemaker for him so he not do the donkey work and return to 7f see him improve even more.
I think Verbal dexterity is a good bet for the dewhurst later in the year given the trainers outstanding record on the race, so you’re sitting on another good one Dazzer

After maiden win Judge Bolger said all top 7f races be for him think return to this trip a must for him like see a pacemaker from now on instead of making the running himself
July 3, 2017 at 15:39 #1307542I’ve backed Gustav as well, I got 28/1 with Racebets. That was a very promising performance and as people have said he looks to be following the right path for a Ballydoyle Guineas hopeful. I’ve also taken the 20’s for the Derby, which probably isn’t the best value considering his pedigree but I want to get something onside early doors. Like Cliffs of Moher he’s not guaranteed to stay the Derby trip, but he looks an equally promising type and there’s something about his name that suggests he’s well regarded.
July 4, 2017 at 16:44 #1307642Aidan said that they were considering running Gustav Klimt in the Chesham but Ryan Moore advised that they should wait, so they ran September there instead.
As to his next race, Aidan said that the colt could run at the Newmarket July meeting but that they were in no hurry with him.
Just off the top of my head, the July Stakes would mean him dropping to 6F and I am not keen on that once a 2YO has run at 7F. The Superlative IS 7F but I can’t recall O’Brien having success in that contest. Henry Cecil was the king of the former Bernard Van Cutsem Stakes, training an incredible nine winners over fifteen renewals from 1986 to 2000.
I would prefer to see Gustav Klimt taking in the Irish races on his way to closing his season in the Dewhurst. Hopefully he will win his next race and become the clear favourite for the Guineas. He looks as good as anything Aidan has for now and Hannon has not had much to write home about this season. Gosden hasn’t had much out so far and if nothing emerges from France in the next couple of months it could start looking a bit thin in a 2000 Guineas market where several already look like a bust.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
July 4, 2017 at 17:20 #1307649I would prefer to see Gustav Klimt taking in the Irish races on his way to closing his season in the Dewhurst.
Dull as dishwater but Tyros – National – Dewhurst sounds a nice path to me Stevo
Nowt wrong with tried and tested.July 12, 2017 at 02:33 #1309723Gustav Klimt is entered in the Superlative stakes as I had reported as a possible target for him.
The bookies have him a warm favourite at around the 13/8 mark.
One of my dark horses, Great Prospector is also entered there, and is 10/1. I would be happy to see him just running there, as I seem to be the only person in the Northern Hemisphere who thought he looked a good colt in the making on his debut.
As I said, the Superlative Stakes is a race Aidan has not dominated the way he does some other contests. I think he had only saddled the winner a couple of times. The ill fated Horatio Nelson was his last winner in 2005.
There isn’t actually much between Gustav Klimt and Great Prospector on ratings so far, so 6/4 vs 10/1 is too big a gap in value for me.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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