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Acr1
Don’t overdo it physically or financially !. I won’t keep you to that monkey pledge.
Got on my bike today for first time in two years. Scarey how much leg muscle I’ve lost in that time. Next I need to find a battery for the heart-rate monitor watch and I’ll be away in a hack. On holdiday for next week so won’t be applying myself fully.
Best of luck
Z
42<br>5F10<br>14st 11Lbs -too much of it FAT:o
I don’t suppose there is any interest in a collective shrinking among  "Overounds" for a charity such as Debra.
Something along the lines of losing 10% of body-weight between now and  Arc day. Say £10.00 per 1% making a £100.00 pledge/donation. Doing something like this for a charity might concentrate the mind a little more !!!
Just a late night idea….
The life-affirming arias in Mozart’s "Marriage of Figaro"
Mind you, more tantric than wham-bam, Lydia !;)
[b]The Song Of Death (Burns)
tune-“Oran an aoig.”
Scene-A Field of Battle. Time of the day-evening. The wounded and dying
of the victorious army are supposed to join in the following song.Farewell, thou fair day, thou green earth, and ye skies,
Now gay with the broad setting sun;
Farewell, loves and friendships, ye dear tender ties,
Our race of existence is run!
Thou grim King of Terrors; thou Life’s gloomy foe!
Go, frighten the coward and slave;
Go, teach them to tremble, fell tyrant! but know
No terrors hast thou to the brave!Thou strik’st the dull peasant-he sinks in the dark,
Nor saves e’en the wreck of a name;
Thou strik’st the young hero-a glorious mark;
He falls in the blaze of his fame!
In the field of proud honour-our swords in our hands,
Our King and our country to save;
While victory shines on Life’s last ebbing sands, –
O! who would not die with the brave!There’s a disturbing report in today’s Guardian that far more many foxes are being killed by marksmen in Scotland than before the ban up there. The hunts there continue to operate as a "sport" with the purpose  of uneathing the so-called "pests" for execution !. Perhaps, if they massacre enough of them they might become a proected species !
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story … 92,00.html
(Edited by zilzal at 9:47 pm on Nov. 20, 2004)
This debate seems to have  been flogged but for any Antis with any doubts, have a look at this site
Vermin ?  Black Propaganda – too much like your own cat or dog
Grasshopper,
The problem which distinguishes foxhunting from the farming of animals is that  the targeting of foxes it is gratuitous and involves individuals, young and old, descending to the pack instinct  of their dogs in pursuit of a victim. Most people today consider this kind of behaviour as cruel and unacceptable. That is why its abolition deserves immediate attention. There is no reason why the hunt tradition cannot continue without the use of live bait.
Of course we are all in favour of more compassionate practices in farming.
It is surprising to see  a respected journalist like Richard Evans of the reputable  Daily Telegraph newspaper congratulate the louts who staged a desecration of the House of Commons last week and portray them as heros as he does in todays issue.
But then  Mr Evans  thinks rural people should be allowed to  "live according to unofficial rules and customs" with their own code of behaviour.
I would  guess that most Telegraph readers are actually against this cruel animal abuse  even if they tolerate the paper’s  potty, scare-mongering and antiquated editorial line on the subject.
"Heroic acts to brighten a Monday Morning"!
"Loutish acts of a dying breed " IMO
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If we tolerate foxhunting, to be consistent we should pemit-
1. Hoodlums from so-called sink-estate to hunt around this  green and pleasant land to hunt foxes on their half-bred roans and ponies etc with pitbull terriers or any other preference.
2. The current Hunts with their privileged, stable background should have the right to hunt our urban jungles for urban foxes on horseback or otherwise!
Permission to abuse the  country’s  wildlife population and fox population in particular should not be granted on the basis of who people are or where they live.
Sal
Call me bleeding heart but I think those foxes that you classify as diseased, injured or elderly should be allowed to to die in in their own dignity or shot humanely rather than be  subjected to a terrfying  chase and bloody death in order that monkeys on horseback can escape the misery in their own lives by inflicting it on another sentient.
Even the privileged Uncle Oscar  a century ago could see the foxhunters are "the unspeakable after the inedible" I hope he is enjoying the prospect of the ban from Pere Lachaise !
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Delighted to see the generally pro-ban sentiments here. It has been demeaning imo to see the hunt lobby try to ride on racing’s coat-tails of late in a desperate attempt  to broaden its sordid appeal.
It’s a case of Cheerio, Tally-ho !
Bull-fighting next !!!!!!!!
Apologies MrE for not getting back as I’ve been busy. Don’t close your mind to this staking plan. Have a good look at it in Duncan’s  "Winning Horse Racing Formulae" in your book store and apply it to your past bets. If the quality of your bets value-wise is good, the winning streaks can easily outweigh your losing runs. It is a fairly conservative staking plan.
Artemis,<br>You’re right about the 32.5 savage deduction from placepot total. The exacta may be a better proposition with shorter losing streaks.
The hope or misconception of the placepotter is , however, that there is a disproportionate number of  placepotters, particularly at the racecourse,  going  for obvious selections and and  there is therefore more profit for speculative punters  when the favourites don’t oblige. I always go for a single line bets which may be a bit optimistic. Have you a view on multiple permutations in these bets and are you suggesting there is a mathematical correlation in the number of times you get 3, 4,  5 , 6 up etc ?
Thanks for the advice, rudeboy. My problem is that I have probably been more adventurous in my selections than I admitted in my original post. I think you have counter that  fear of a paltry dividend which makes you go for too many speculative selections.
Is there any cause for nervousness in placepot betting with the large firms as against the tote? I think I would feel safer if the final leg of a potentially huge dividend involving, say, a div 2 of  maiden at  Brighton was with the tote. And one other……….How practical would it be for the Tote to introduce a Placepot  Option style bet where you have only to select  in the first  one or two races and subsequently fill in a quadpot type bet later if your first two have been placed? This would mean a different pool to make it viable but it might attract more serious punters who do not want to make six selections in six minutes before the off of the first race !
