January 4, 2006 at 21:13 #4121
The punishment our judicial system can mete out to these scum will be wholly inadequate. What do you think they deserve?January 5, 2006 at 07:54 #96613seabirdParticipant
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The whole thing beggars belief!
What motivates a "human being" to carry out an act like this??
ColinJanuary 5, 2006 at 09:05 #96614gambleParticipant
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‘bird there are some sick minds out there
As the men are sick<br> I’d put them in a pram<br> and wheel them into C ward.<br> The inmates there<br> all love babbies<br> to death ;)January 5, 2006 at 16:43 #96619lollys mateMember
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Lock em up in a room with Aranalde for a week!
Jeeeez. Thats got to be punishment.January 6, 2006 at 09:43 #96620TedMember
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They only caught that b@stard through pure luck, and it makes me wonder where he was taking the child. Would she ever have been seen again?
Lock him up and throw away the key.January 7, 2006 at 18:58 #96621
Razeen – yes, you’re quite right; I half wanted to provoke a more "savage" response; particularly from the more "right-on", New Labour, Guardian type forumite. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It would seem forumites are more restrained than when I used to post more frequently.<br>For my part, no sentence can adequately Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â compensate the child or her family.<br>Personally, I’d like the parents to have the opportunity to castrate the guilty party, using just two house bricks and no anaesthetic. Then to have "child rapist" tattooed across his forehead. All the guilty persons’ possessions (house, car, bank balance, savings etc.) should be Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â liquidised and put in trust for the child. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Don’t suppose our "human-rights"-centred milquetoast politicians would ever sanction this sort of thing though. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Perhaps Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â adequate "justice" can never be meted out for crimes such as this.
(Edited by insomniac at 7:00 pm on Jan. 7, 2006)<br>
(Edited by insomniac at 7:01 pm on Jan. 7, 2006)January 8, 2006 at 13:22 #96622non vintageMember
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Given that the sentence is inevitably going to be ridiculously weak, I would just like to see them placed in a run-of-the-mill high security prison (with murderers and right violent b’stards and that sort of thing). Providing a couple of press articles were leaked to the right inmates with a picture of the new prisoner attached, I’m thinking the right sort of punishment may duly follow…January 9, 2006 at 11:55 #96623
Given the generally right-wing tenor of the Forum (and the lounge in particular), I presume nobody here is going to suggest rehabilitation of some description for the wrongdoer? Nobody, after all, is actually born evil.
(Edited by graysonscolumn at 11:56 am on Jan. 9, 2006)
The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.January 9, 2006 at 13:12 #96624davidbradyMember
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Quote: from graysonscolumn on 11:55 am on Jan. 9, 2006[br]Given the generally right-wing tenor of the Forum (and the lounge in particular), I presume nobody here is going to suggest rehabilitation of some description for the wrongdoer? Nobody, after all, is actually born evil.
<br>(Edited by graysonscolumn at 11:56 am on Jan. 9, 2006)<br>
Although I appreaiate that the prison/judicial system is supposed to re-educate and rehabilitate offenders, the principal purpose is to punish and to make potential offenders rethink their future actions. Unfortunately, there really is no punishment for this type of crime which could be viewed as adequate. This is not to say that no punishment should be meted out. As the father of a one-year old, my gut reaction is to hang the offender before the parents of the child get their hands on him.
On the broader aspect of sentencing and the legal system in Ireland (which is similar to UK based on the above posts) is that liberalism has gone too far and the legal system protects the rights of the perpetrators of crimes rather than their victims. I also think that the judiciary is too old to adequately deal with the current crimes and criminals which are appearing in front of the courts.
We recently had a case in Ireland where a 60-odd year old farmer was jailed for 6 years for shooting dead a man who was attemtping to break into his house while the criminal’s brother distracted the farmer at the front. In fairness, the farmer shot him twice, first as ran away and then second as he lay on the ground. The case as further muddied by the fact that the burglar was a traveller and that the farmer had been plagued for years by travellers attempting to rob him on a fairly regular basis.
We then had a seperate case a couple of weeks later where another traveller was beaten to death on a street by a gang of vigilantes as retribution for a different burglary although no evidence was ever there that this traveller actually committed the crime in the first place and may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Sadly, vigilantism (is that a word) will become a huge issue in the next decade until the police forces and judiciary start imposing real "zero tolerance" policies in both Ireland and UK.
An interesting point is that Al Capone died in prison after being convicted of tax evasion, not violence or organised crime. The maximum sentence should be imposed on known criminals irrespective of the actual crime committed. Otherwise we are all just being laughed at.January 9, 2006 at 14:33 #96625
Quote: from Peaty Sandy on 1:36 pm on Jan. 9, 2006[br]It’s a ******* joke and is typical of the sh*te that happens to normal law-abiding folks these days. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â <br>
<br>…rather than an indictment of the, shall we say, limited response of the police in that particular instance?
Taking the law into his own hands in the face of extreme provocation made Tony Martin an unfortunate, rather than a hero of any recognisable description.
The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.January 9, 2006 at 14:59 #96626
Davidbrady has got it right when he says:-<br>"Sadly, vigilantism (is that a word) will become a huge issue in the next decade until the police forces and judiciary start imposing real "zero tolerance" policies in both Ireland and UK."<br>Don’t hold out much hope that our politicians/judiciary will redress the imbalance between crime and punishment that we, the public perceive.January 9, 2006 at 17:54 #96627dave jayMember
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I suppose rehabilitation is okay if your not a victim or you reckon the victim was just asking for it jeremy.
You don’t get vigilantes if people see that justice has been done. If this particular rapist turns out to be a convicted child molester out on an early release, will anyone be held accountable for letting him out and should they be ?January 9, 2006 at 19:25 #96628lollys mateMember
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I had the same argument about a year ago with the Forums P.C. brigade, and the result was that whatever crime you commited someone wants to love you and look after you.
My favorite quote from one of the "brigade" was that, there might be some gypsies that might occasionally do something illegal.
Bring back hanging for this type of scum.
Fact; Nobody has ever re-offended after being hung.lJanuary 9, 2006 at 22:30 #96629davidbradyMember
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Peaty Sandy and lollys mate
Would you have hung the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six?January 10, 2006 at 08:52 #96630
Quote: from Peaty Sandy on 3:41 pm on Jan. 9, 2006[br]Jeremy
IF you wake up in the middle of the night and find a stranger in your house (and god forbid that you have chiildren) what are you supposed to do ?
Call the police? Hide under your bed? Try and establish the criminals intent? See if the criminal has a weapon ?<br>
<br>If it is possible to remove myself from the house safely, I’d do that – with my mobile and car keys to hand – and take myself to a safe enough distance to be able to get help (accepting, as per my previous posting, that in some cases this may not always be as immediately forthcoming as one would like).
Further, it can’t be that hard to convert your bedroom into adequate refuge by the simple application of a variety of locks and / or a steel door, from behind which any phone calls to the police in the event of an intrusion can be made safely.
Really, there’s plenty you can do to help yourselves personal security-wise in the face of the circumstances Peaty Sandy proposed, before having to resort to criminal tactics yourselves.
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