October 18, 2005 at 17:18 #94405
KC out of the running. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â He’s been voted out.<br>Looks like another 7 years in no-mans land for the sad, useless and clueless current Tory regime.<br>Do they not want to get the backing of the country? Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â It seems that way to me. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Either they are too stupid or too pig-headed to listen to public opinion. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I personally think it’s the latter. Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Would you vote for a party who refuses to acknowledge public opinion? Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â I certainly wouldn’t vote for an alleged ex-smackhead.
(Edited by Racing Daily at 6:19 pm on Oct. 18, 2005)October 18, 2005 at 18:14 #94408
1/1 money now a fourth dud in a row !
Havn’t seen enough of Cameron to make up my mind about him but he may find that Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â managing the country is probably nothing compared to managing the Tory party!October 18, 2005 at 18:23 #94409
I thought KC was a non-contender.
He’s got the mark of Thatcher on him for a start plus his connections with BAT are a vote loser.
If they want to win a general election, the tories need someone who isn’t related to the Thatcher years.
I’ve not seen enough of Fox to draw conculsions, but Davis is another loser.
So, they should probably go into the final with Fox v Cameron.
(though I expect Davis v Cameron)
SteveOctober 18, 2005 at 18:33 #94411
Agree, hard to see Tory membership voting for a vote-loser like Davis.
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7/1 Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Davis
My next $20.00 is on Fox – Tories may get cold feet if not sense!October 18, 2005 at 23:04 #94417
Agreed, the last thing we need is a Blair clone. That is exactly what Cameron is in the eyes of the Tories. If a young Blair can become PM, then so can a comparitively young Cameron. What they fail to remember is that the country per se hates Blair!<br>The Tories confuse me. Maybe Clarke wouldn’t be the perfect leader, but he would have given a lot of voters the excuse they needed to vote against the Blair regime. Cameron can in no way, shape or form challenge Blair (or Brown). They have basically comitted hari kiri with their next election hopes.<br>I am looking for any excuse to vote for a viable alternative to Labour. I’ll now vote LibDem, if only to help demote the Tories to the third rung in the political ladder (the place they belong at). I can see a lot of people doing that.October 19, 2005 at 00:28 #94419KotkijetMember
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Being a Northern kinda-anarchist-mostly-middle-class-hating-socialist, I feel like this thread isn’t really my place.
But here goes…..
Is anybody (here or anywhere) seriously suggesting that ”Coke” Cameron will be the next PM once Tony the tiger steps down?
So the only reason this thread exists is for some trivial banter no?
btw – I’m not actually suggesting that Mr Cameron has ever used cocaine, it’s only…… I think his first name is David but I’d be safer calling him ”Coke” since that’s how the Daily Horror refers to him and everybody here would know who I’m on about anyway.
Please don’t banish me TRF overlords :biggrin:October 19, 2005 at 09:59 #94421
Gordon Brown can start polishing his "s**t …Shyola" routine now – there’s no way he can lose the next election.
I disagree 100%.
Look at the last election. The Labour party were up against Howard and a tory party in disarray. Yet they only won by a few percent.
The wheels are about to fall of Brown’s "economic miracle" and he’ll be shown for what he is – another politician who’s been getting away with claiming economic genius when, in reality, he’s just been in office at a (superficially) prosperous time.
If the tories want to win the next election, their job is to stay in the political centre, stay united and present a candidate who’s not got the "creepy factor".
Cameron looks the best candidate they got. Doesn’t say much for the party IMO, but beggars can’t be choosers.
If he does a competent job and his party support him, he’d be most likely winner between him, Brown and Kennedy.
SteveOctober 19, 2005 at 11:24 #94428
Hoppy, let me tell you I disagree with you 10,000% …. :biggrin:
I understand what you’re saying about Cameron and, frankly, I think the best I can say about him is that he’s the best of a poor bunch.
He’d have a few years to prove himself and grow in stature and, if chosen, we’ll find out if he does that, or if he falls flat on his face and makes an arse of himself.
(possibly odds-on the latter?)
People will go with the (apparently) steady Brown hand on the tiller
If the election was 12 months from now, sure. But it’s likely to be 4 years away and I reckon the Brown hand will look very weak by then.
Think back to George HW Bush. He got in after Reagan and everyone said he was fantastic. A couple of rocky years financially before the 2002 election and he was booted out as an arse.
Brown looks the biz right now, let the economy nosedive and watch people revise their views.
They will want politicians of substance
When has the electorate ever shown that? :biggrin:
Not in the last 3 elections, that’s for sure.
People vote for 2 things:
(1) In good times we vote for the status quo<br>(2) In bad times we vote for someone new
This year, things weren’t bad enough and there was nothing new to vote for, so Labour got back in.
If, next time around, things are worse and there is a meaningful alternative, they’ll lose.
SteveOctober 19, 2005 at 12:07 #94429davidbradyMember
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I don’t really know too much about UK politics being from the Emerald Isle but a noticeable trend in both Europe and the US is the shift to the right in the populous. We have seen it in Austria, Netherlands, & Germany ( I think). This is totally different from say 10 years ago when Labour governments were elected in France, UK, & Germany. A big reason why Bush was voted in (I hesitate to use the word "again" 😉 ) is because Middle America figured the Republicans would protect them from foreign terrorists better than those soft Democrats. I can see that when the next election comes around in the UK, the Tory’s will play on the London bombings and to people’s fears of further attacks and they will be elected.
Hopefully not in a coalition with the BNP though.October 20, 2005 at 18:09 #94432
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Perhaps the late Ted Heath wasn’t so bad afterall !December 6, 2005 at 15:12 #94434
Cameron wins 2:1
Looks like another period in the wilderness for the tories …
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