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I would imagine that training fees would be considered part of the costs of running. Not sure you’ll get very far on that £1000 with most trainers.
Isn’t the Whitbread a corporate name? I thought it was.
Of course it is. The race was named after it’s corporate sponsor since it’s inception in the 1950’s. The same goes for the Hennesey.
No one has any problem referring to those races as the "Whitbread" and the Hennesey.Whitbread
Hennesey
Benson and Hedges/Juddmonte Intl
Waterford Crystal MileThis is hardly a new.
Let’s see, in the English speaking world..
UK… football
Ire … SOCCER
Aus …. SOCCER
NZ …. SOCCER
CAN … SOCCER
South Africa … SOCCER
USA … SOCCERSeems like a "no brainer" to me, the English speaking world has decided that SOCCER is the preferred term. So I use Soccer…. or Fútbol with my Spanish speaking buddies.
Isn’t it ironic though, that the English gave the world the game of soccer, which would go on to be the most popular sport in the world, indeed it is the world’s game, yet all major English speaking former colonies have a different form of Football that is more popular.
The ’97 Zoffany died in a fall at Wetherby in Jan of ’05.
The one that ran at Ascot is ’08 model.There’s a Nicanor racing on either side of the Atlantic, the French bred one trained by Noel Meade in Ireland and the full brother to Barbaro trained by Michael Matz stateside.
The Chinese are very superstitious about names, hence why so many of the horses that go to Hong Kong have their names changed. Seeing as they don’t breed in HK, pretty much every horse there is imported of racing age and therefore is already named. Some of it may also have to do with how the names sound phonetically in Chinese.
I find the use of pacemakers confusing sometimes.
I can understand using a pacemaker to set the pace for a stable mate that needs a good pace. It’s the same reason they were used in human athletics (esp in middle distance running in the 70’s and 80’s), because it’s pyschologically easier to follow a pace than make the pace. This is the same reason domestiques are used to drag the team leader up the mountain in the Tour de France (it certainly isn’t for drafting when they are going that slow… it’s mentally easier to follow than lead).
So to that end, the way the Ballydoyle pacemaker was used in the Coronation on Friday made perfect sense, and F&G slotted right in behind him.What I don’t understand is when the pacemaker (or multiples) goes off like a bat out of hell and everyone, including his stable mate, completely ignores him, knowing full well he’s going to blow up and come to a stop with 3f to go.
Now, At First Sight was a little different in that he found himself in a position to almost win. But then, I don’t think he was entered to be 100% out and out pacemaker, and was entered to some degree on his merits… same with last year and Golden Sword.But those pacemakers that go off at a spastic pace…. I mean, what purpose does it serve? Like those two Ballydoyle horses in the Arc last year…. what was the point in that? I could see if they were being used like a "rabbit" in the American sense, where you are trying to draw out a hard to rate horse and force them into a speed duel, but that’s almost never an issue in Europe as trainers actually train their horse to settle (which brings up another point.. why do American trainers have such a hard time getting speedballs to settle?).
So a horse winning close to or just off the lead is "acting like the pacemaker" and as such is a donkey with no speed? Interesting. So much for Dubai Millenium, Sunline and the great Dr Fager.
Yes, AOB is starting to sound silly at this point. For a man that has trained some damn good horse flesh, calling F&G’s win in the Tatt’s Gold Cup over a field of donkeys an "amazing" performance is taking the piss.
I’d say if he ever packs in the horses he has a job waiting for him as Whitehouse press secretary or some such politico spin doctor.Alandi – he’s had 8 starts for five wins, two seconds and a fifth, he came on to the scene last year winning the Listed Vintage Crop Stakes at his second start over 1m5f (2600m), he then ran Profound Beauty to a neck in the Gr3 Curragh Cup over 2800m, he finished off the season with a hattrick of wins – in the Listed Ballycullen Stakes over 2800m, the Group 1 Irish St Leger over 2800m and the Prix du Cadran over 4000m (beating Yeats)…if he hadn’t had his last run, I’d say that he’d be absolutely perfect for Australian conditions,
but the 4000m run can make them dour forever
, so I’d be cautious…also a big query on good/dead ground
I don’t know about that. The horse he just nudged out for the win in the Cadran, Kasbah Bliss, finished a ½L 3rd in the 12f Hong Kong Cup in his next start.
Fortina, the only Gold Cup winner to sire a Gold Cup winner, in fact he sired two, Fort Leney in ’68 and Glencaraig Lady in ’73.
Roselier won the French Champion Hurdle in ’78.
How was 10f an unsuitable distance for George Washington?
He had run the Derby winner to a whisker over 10f at Sandown. He had finished 6th in the previous year’s BC Classic, beating home some very good 10f dirt horses in the process. He was arguably better horse at that distance a year later
And what about the going made it more likely he would breakdown? Are horses more susceptible to break down on a sloppy dirt track? Any stats to back that up?Greyhounds are weighed so that they fall within an acceptable range, 3lbs up or down from last run. Anything outside that range they are not allowed to run. I doubt many punters pay much attention to whether a dog is +1lb or -2lbs.
Now that rule, pro rata, really would be a massive boon to horseracing!
No messy updates, no call for bookmakers to hide the figures, just plain straightforward ‘send it unfit and it won’t be running’.
Simples.So what’s the acceptable range for a horse?
Unfit horses can be overweight or underweight. Not to mention how problematic it would for horses under the age of 4yo, or even under 5yo.Greyhounds are weighed so that they fall within an acceptable range, 3lbs up or down from last run. Anything outside that range they are not allowed to run. I doubt many punters pay much attention to whether a dog is +1lb or -2lbs.
One of the main reasons for this weighing is that you can very obviously slow a dog down by feeding him a couple of big porterhouse steaks before the race, which he will willingly devour, yet the dog will still look fit as a fiddle.
I can’t see anyone feeding a horse a 50lbs (the equivalent in % body weight) bag of oats pre race.Well, if nothing else, The Rabble’s mushroom policy towards punters has certainly stimulated debate. If they published horse’s weights the question of jockey error/lack of fitness would be resolved immediately. Instead we get thirteen pages of unresolved dispute.
Asked this question before, but never did receive an answer.
Where and when are the horses weighed, and how is that info provided to the public in a timely manner?
Day or two before? if so where? Day of race at the course? if so how will it be printed on the race card?
