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- May 6, 2008 at 08:08 in reply to: How Long Before All Bookmaker’s Representatives Are Women? #161851
Great sarcasm!

In France and Germany the local horse-racing authority (France-galop, DVR) publish "end-of-season"-ratings of all horses run that year under their rules.
Is there something equivalent in Britain (- I don`t speak of Timeform publications but "official ratings")?
Yes, that would be an interesting event – but he will not run – not to speak win. Is he free of lasix, bute, other drugs? Europe rules the waves on turf.
Your word is our hope!

It’ looks like Shirocco’s 5yo-season – JCS – Coronation Cup => Arc.
Getaway’s owner said several times that the "Arc" is his life-ambition as owner and breeder, so this may be the longterm target of Getaway with the hope to find some give in the ground at Longchamp in October more likely than at Ascot in July.
The Arc may be Getaway’s target even more after the bad luck of Shirocco and Manduro to win this race for their owner.
2,000 Gns.: Ibn Khaldoun
1,000 Gns.: Infallible
To add to the information given above here are links to the most important performances of
Phardante: http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsiege … antePharly
Buckskin: http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsiege … skinYelapa
I’ve just checked the top 10 sires for 2008 in Germany on the DVR website, and I was quite shocked to see that neither Percieve Arrogance, Law Society, or even Monsun made the top 10 (Rating done by earnings) …
Off course my analysis is not up to date, but the current prizemoney-won is no indication to a sire’s affinitity to going preferences of his progreny. In my view this alleged influence generally is over-estimated.
Big Shuffle currently leads the German prizemoney-ranking by his many offsprings and their success on the dirt-tracks from January to March. Tiger Hill andSecond Set owe their good placings in the ranking by just one win of their best sons so far this season (Oriental Tiger won 1 of 2 German G3, Black out won 1 of 4 LR run so far).
I made an exhaustive study of my own on that subject 4 years ago (75 sires in Germany with 3,336 winners and 8,233 races won, 41.5 % of all races were run on soft/heavy/deep going). Of the sires still active Perceive Arrogance and Law Society showed a slightly better result of races won on the soft side oft the going than Monsun.
A. Fabre is reported of having said to Baron Ullmann after the Arc: "Getaway is your Shirocco of 2008."
Adlerflug is now a most likely runner in next Sunday’s Gerling-Preis (G2, 2,400 m, Cologne) – so he is probably going to miss the Jockey Club Stakes at Newmarket in the first week of May.
Perhaps a silly question from a racing-fan from outside GB:
What is the difference between a listed handicap and a Heritage Handicap?
As much as I know, Heritage Handicaps have some tradition and the horses running have ratings close to listed or G3-status. For example, in the recent Ebor Handicap a horse from GER was running (El Tango) and did quite well with a 5th place. El Tango, a multiple listed-race-winner, was rated in his home-country at around 106 – 111 lbs.
… I’ve kept a half-eye on him (i. e. Adlerflug) since his German Derby win, and thought he should have taken his chance in the Arc last year given the easy ground (strictly on a line through Youmzain it wouldn’t have been a bad idea!). I’ll be watching out for him this year again, but will only consider an interest when there’s cut in the ground.
Don’t forget: Youmzain did all the running on the outside in both big bends at Baden-Baden. So he did some 20-30 yards more than Adlerflug in the Grosser Preis von Baden and was a very unlucky 4th (I bet Youmzain that day, but not in the Arc
).In Germany there are some traditional inhibitions to run a 3yo that late in the year in the Arc, we still search for a late-maturing horse who will show his best performances on the track as a 4 or 5yo.
No, Adlerflug is still with Jens Hirschberger, his trainer in the German Derby, at Diesternich Stables near Schlenderhan Stud (GER) – and Germany’s main hope in the big European races over 12f. with the Coronation Cup as early-summer-target.
Schiaparelli is an interesting prospect – he is a tough horse with few speed, but once in front he doesn’t give in. Nevertheless he has never met really good horses in international top-class-races so far. May Sheik Mohammed have that luck with this horse he hadn’t with former purchases.
German-owned older horses, that are trained by A. Fabre this season, are Aspectus (a miler) and Persian Storm (an intermediate with no speed so far). Both disappointed in the Prix d’Harcourt (GII) 2 weeks ago.
In the Ganay on April 27th, Axxos and Saddex, both from GER, are entered. Axxos is a similar type as Persian Storm with no finishing speed so far. Saddex was a bit unlucky in the Arc last year, perhaps the 10.5 f of the Ganay are to short for him, nevertheless he should show some good performances in top-races this season.
And don’t forget Quijano – a very brave gelding, who got some unlucky races by his rider recently at Woodbine, Hong Kong and Dubai.
Here some great private pics on the 2008 National:
Well, @paulostermeyer, this (35 dead horses) is in accordance with the linked "The Guardian"-article from April 2006 – thank you. But the tv-program on WDR3 said: 35 dead horses solely in the GN-races since 1997 and so they came to 3.5 killed horses on average in any annual running of the Grand National Steeplechase. And this is obviously an untrue statement – quod erat demonstrandum.
Concerning casualties I found this from "The Guardian", April 5th, 2006, saying 30 dead horses during all 3-day-GN-meetings since 1997, and not 3.5 killed horses per any GN-race since 1997:
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