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  • #7179
    Cav
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    Does such a handicap exist? Are all the big heritage handicaps equally competitive or is there one that’s just that little bit more difficult than the rest?

    #152960
    parlo
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    Interesting topic: what’s about the Stewards’ Cup or the legendary Cambridgeshire?

    #152962
    Twinkle Twinkle
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    Golden Mile at Goodwood from stall 1 :lol:

    #152967
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    The lincoln for me…..had a winner called Baldric II (I think it was the Lincoln) more years ago than I care to remember and the next one I had was Blythe Knight……..impossible race

    #152968
    apracing
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    Cav,

    The hardest thing about winning any of the big handicaps these days is getting a run.

    Fifteen years ago, the Lincoln top weight was rated 96 and the bottom weight ran off 73.

    On Saturday, the top weight is rated 110 and the last horse in is rated 94.

    It’s much the same with all the Heritage Handicaps. It’s a massive change that has made it much harder for the small owner to have a big day unless you’re lucky enough to have a Group class horse.

    AP

    #152969
    Cav
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    AP, you have given me an idea. I’ll go back over all the class 2 handicaps in RI and get a median OR for the top 5 or 6 in the handicap, should be interesting to see what comes out on top. Good luck on Sunday btw.

    #152973
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    So what do you think has caused the change, AP?
    Is it just the sheer weight of numbers of horses in training nowadays, are the races so much more valuable, or are horses simply rated too highly?

    #152974
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    Value of the Lincoln has gone up alot in recent years apparently…

    #152990
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    There ae loads

    The Royal Hunt Cup is a really hard one to win as there can quite often be a potential listed or better horse (or horses) in the field, same with the britannia stakes which generally feature the fall out of the guineas and a the up and comings/ the late progressors etc.

    I generally find the sprint handicaps are hard to pick out as the sprinters largely don’t seem to hold their form as well, the wokingham, vodafone dash etc.

    The one which I usually do OK in but everyone seems to say is a total nightmare is the Newbury supersprint, the trick I use is to go for the progeny of good first season sires and the cheap distance specialist sires on the big priced horses.

    #152994
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    Its the sprints that i avoid and i find near impossible. Only thing in favour of Newbury is that it isnt big on the draw factor

    #153054
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    There ae loads

    The Royal Hunt Cup is a really hard one to win as there can quite often be a potential listed or better horse (or horses) in the field, .

    Bulwark

    Tbh, you’d be hard pressed to find a valuable handicap where that isn’t the case, even in the sprint handicaps that Clivex finds so impossible?

    #153077
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    I’d say prize money is the main reason why these races now feature such high average ratings. The Lincoln is worth more than a Group 2 race and it’s attracting horses that would normally be runing in Group 3 or Listed contests.

    The Lincoln prize fund is £125,000 – the average Listed race is less than £30,000.

    Add in the fact that trainers know the weights will be compressed, so they won’t be giving two stone to some improving future Group horse and the big handicaps are an attractive proposition.

    On the rare ocasion that such an improver gets into one of these races with a lenient weight now, they find themselves up against fully exposed opposition – Third Set and Purple Moon spring to mind from last season.

    AP

    #153079
    MDeering
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    My friends – it could only be the Melbourne Cup! :)

    #153082
    yeats
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    I wouldn’t go for the Lincoln due to the lower number of runners although I can’t remember ever backing the winner of it :evil: The Hunt Cup used to have 32 runners but I think that’s been reduced recently and I feel the mile just gives that bit of extra time for the cream to come to the top. It would have to be one of the lottery sprints for me with the most runners, Wokingham, Stewards or Ayr race but then there’s the Cambridgeshire as has been mentioned which has more runners :lol:

    #153086
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    I suppose the answer should be the Cesarewitch, as it has the most runners.

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