[MikkyMo73]

From the last 50 years… hhmmmm…. how old is Tony Blair? Can we un-invent him?

Personally I’d un-invent Soap Operas – how better the world would be if the likes of Emmerfail, Die-nasty, Corporation Street, Deadenders and Brollyoaks weren’t invented.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Hi Chaps,

Two events this week for me to concentrate on so here goes;

WGC Bridgestone Invitational

I remember Tiger Woods shooting 61 round Firestone in the year 2000, though admitedly the course was only just over 7,100 yards then . Now this par 70 course is over 7,400 yards, includes seven par 4’s that are in excess of 450 yards and three par 3’s that are longer than 200 yards. Oh, let’s not forget the par 5 16th hole that is close to 700 yards

Narrow fairways, bunkered greens, thick rough and some tree-lined fairays – it all begs the question, do you go for length or accuracy?

My first selection is Stewart Cink, though I’m a little disappointed with his best odds quote of just 22/1. No doubt the odds compilers have latched on to his excellent record in this event (won in 2004, 2nd in 2006) and his seven top-10 finishes on the PGA Tour this season.

Because of his failure to really finish off events I rarely pick Justin Rose but this week is going to be an exception. He finished tied second in this event last year and his odds of 40/1 (55 on BF) appear too big in a field that once again doesn’t contain Mr Woods.

At massive odds (touching 200 on BF, 150/1 generally) I’m going to put up Darren Clarke, and again I’m basing this selection on previous course form. He won around this course in 2003 and he has a fine record in WGC events. I’m hoping past memories revitalise DC because if his iron play is up to scratch there are few better in the field.

The thing I love about golf betting is how one or two bad weeks suddenly see’s a player’s price lengthen dramatically. Just a few weeks ago the likes of Richard Green, Soren Hansen, and MA Jimenez were half the price they are for this event after some solid weeks in Europe. Now, after a perceived bad showing in the British Open (in Jimenez’s case that perception is correct) they are available at much biggers odds (Green 150/1, Hansen 175/1, Jimenez 80/1) and for that reason I’m having a little each way on all three.

US Senior Open Championship

Quite an easy one this, I’m going for much the same as I did last week because despite some decent showings they are either the same price, or bigger price, than they were last week.

Greg Norman (8/1) scored better than anyone over the last 62 holes – and but for his six over par first ten holes on Thursday would have went very close to winning. To finish the tournament on two under shows how well he played thereafter and if he gets a solid start this week (unlike last) then he should be in the thick of things.

Eduardo Romero (16/1) was another who played well last week (when he was best priced 14/1) and but for a bogey on the 72nd hole would have been in a play-off. As it happened he was one shot behind in third place and I fully expect him to go well again this week.

As an each-way bet I like the chances of our own Ian Woosnam who I backed yesterday at 66/1 but is now available at just 50/1 (it wasn’t the weight of my money that’s for sure). Few play better in the wind and The Broadmoor Resort is expected to blow this week – or so I’m not so reliably told

Good luck to everyone having a bet this week – may the putting gods be on your side.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

You can’t have your cake and eat it.

I’ve nerver understood this David

When I buy a cake for myself I intend to eat it. If somene offers me a cake, I take it with the full intention of eating it. If I give someone a cake, I give them it under the impression that the person will eat it.

Therefore doesn’t this conclusively prove that you CAN have your cake AND eat it.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Darren,

You’re worried about an animal called ‘Flipper’ in a race that is largely about water – am I missing something?

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Where did you come across that bad bookie, Micky Mo?

Wetherby a few seasons back. Can’t for the life of me remember his name, I was just so shocked at his blatant attempt to short pay me.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Very sad thread. [b:2ro2wkk1]The one thing I like most about racing is the total honesty between bookmakers and punters in the ring, especially in the UK[/b:2ro2wkk1]. More than once I’ve owned up to getting too much on course, most recently at Cheltenham in March when the ticket on my winner had the wrong stake on it.
I find it especially sad that Barry Dennis would take advantage of a punter placing a bet that couldn’t win- shame on you.
As others have said, cheating a betting shop is no different to stealing from any other shop, pathetic justifications about big corporations don’t excuse it. Personally, my life would be better without people like Getzippy on this forum.

Wow Carvills, you must have a very astute face that bookies daren’t mess with

I believe there isn’t a single ‘ring’ bookie in this country who wouldn’t try to con an unformative face. You are someone who bets with the twinkle in your eye, someone who bookies know you know how it all works.

Try being a £10 punter, a bit drunk, who looks as if they’ve just placed their first bet in their lives – then you will see what UK ‘ring’ bookmakers are all about.

I recently had a £10 win on a 10/3 winner – on collecting my winnings the bookie told his assistant, "£43.33, just give him £40". I cracked up, "What do you mean just give hime £40" I shouted. On realising that he was now up against someone who knew how to work a bet out he apologised and told me it was a simple mistake.

Simple mistake my arse. To any unexpecting punter they would have been happy with the £40, while the bookie benefited from the £3.33 that wasn’t rightfully theirs.

I informed everyone who was queuing up to collect winnings that the bookie had just tried it on and to be careful. I stood, to his apparant horror, as everyone in the queue was paid correctly.

And you think UK ring bookies are honest. Mate, put a chav shirt on, act tipsy, and talk to a friend as you hand your winning receipt over – then you will see how honest they are.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

I’m almost certain that a former member (Kwai, who was subsequently banned) started similar threads to this that provoked little interest. I could be wrong.

Actually I am wrong (but won’t delete what I’ve wrote) as his threads were more aimed at naming a celebrity and asking, "Would ya"

Still,I see the connective theme we are going down

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Politics – what a load of shite

If it can’t be settled on a football pitch then it ain’t worth arguing over!

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

If HTN is half as good as Aidan thinks he is this should be a procession. In fact on what he’s shown so far it probably will be anyway.

HTN is good and should win, however it’s best to ignore the prestige in which Aidan holds him as most TRF forumites are now fully aware of AoB’s ability to ‘big up’ every horse that wins a good race these days – often claimig it to be "amongst he best I’ve had"

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Why is Adebayor available at 26 when he almost certainly will be Arsenal’s main striker this season? I think that’s a cracking price as a back to lay option.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Pompete,

Corals own rule regarding altering bets is this;

2.3
Once accepted, a bet can only be altered or cancelled by mutual consent

Therefore the fact that the shop manager took it off his own back to void the £20 bet and put the slip back through as a £2 bet (for reasons I still don’t know why) is in fact in breach of his own company’s shop rule.

My brother went for a drink in the adjacent pub and went into the betting shop several times during the afternoon, yet he was never asked for consent to amend or void the bet. The last leg of his bet was a horse later in the afternoon when he was at home and my gut feeling is that the discrepancy only came to light with the manager once all selections had won.

Sorry for reiterating what I have already wrote but the problem now lies with the manager denying there was ever a bet that went through for £20, despite my brother having the receipt in his possession for 24 hours and many people witnessing it. The manager took the receipt from my brother on Sunday, said he had void it and replaced it with a £2 one (again there are witnesses in the shop to confirm this) and insisted on keeping the £20 receipt for when customer services rang.

When CS rang the manager yesterday he told them there wasn’t a bet for £20 and changed his story completely to the helpful one (on how to complain) he had told my brother a dew days before.

All Corals have to do is find within their system the £20 bet (which I have every confidence they will) and it proves that my brother was telling the truth, and that the manager has lied as well as being in breach of rule 2.3.

I have had two email replies from a Corals Customer Services Manager to say that they are still investigating the complaint. I won’t say anymore for now until there has been some progress and I will let every know the outcome.

Thanks for all your support.

Mike

Peruvian Chief – no hard feelings, you are fully entitled to your own opinion.

[MikkyMo73]

It has got very complicated for the simple fact that both the cashier and shop manager are now blatantly lieing to the customer services department that rang them to act on my brothers complaint.

When my brother went to collect his money, the manager took the receipt from him that had £20 printed on it and told my brother that because the till was £18 down then he had voided the £20 bet and replaced it with a £2 one.

When my brother said he wishes to complain and asked for the slip with £20 printed on it back, the manager refused to give him it saying that he would put it in the safe for when the complaint is made.

When my brother made a complaint, all customer services did was ring the shop only to be told by the manager that there was never a £20 receipt. The manager gave customer services the serial number of the £2 receipt so customer service think everything is ok because they are just going on the word of the shop manager. Customer services say they haven’t the time to go through their system tracing bets when they have been told by a ‘trusted’ manager that there wasn’t one there.

So basically it isn’t complicated at all. My brother made the mistake of writing £2 on his slip but he gave them enough money for the bet to a £20 one, which he agreed with the cashier. The slip was correctly put through as a £20 treble. The selections won. For some reason the shop manager voided the bet and put it back through as a £2 treble. The shop manager has allegedly destroyed the slip with £20 printed on it and told customer services that there was never such a bet. Customer services have believed the manager, are not willing to trace through their system and have told my brother to hop it.

Hence why I’ve taken it further and demanded that the system is traced because once the £20 bet is found then it will be proved that the manager has lied.

I stress again, Corals at this point have gave me no indication that they are willing to trace their system for a £20 treble that was subsequently voided. This is what I’ve asked for and have been told to wait 48 hours.

What’s complicated about that?

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Cheers Kirstey,

Yes he is very stressed – he says there is nothing more annoying than when someone is blatantly lieing and he is now willing to give the money to charity just as long as he gets a full apology and that the manager faces the consequences of his actions.

All we have to do is get Corals techies to search in their system for this £20 bet – once it is found then the proof will be there that the manager lied about it – and if he lied about it then why and what else has he done?

The problem is trying to get past customer services because all they do is ring the shop and take the manager’s word. Like I’ve said though, if I don’t get a satisfactory reply from the email I sent then I have contact details for the top men at Corals and will complain to them.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Hi guys,

Short and sweet this week as the golf is hardly mouthwatering compared to last week

Talking of last week, I can’t see any reason at all to ignore the chances of Greg Norman in the Senior Open Championship. For a 53 year old his physique and fitness is extraordinary, he can still drive the ball 300 yards, and his game looked in great shape last week. If this were a horse race, then after last week’s performance he would be due to go up about 21lbs from Sunday and he would be a handicap snip this week. I expected him to be around 5/2, so to see him at 8/1 I was delighted.

Norman’s price and chance looks too good to be true – and when that’s the case then it usually is. For that reason I’ve had a few small win bets on Eduardo Romero at 14/1 and Mark O’Meara at 28/1.

Over in Moscow I admit to being completely in the dark regarding the course, course form, the weather etc and for that reason my stakes will be kept to a minimum. So in the Russian Open I’ve had a few each way bets on some ‘blasts from the past’, namely Gary Orr (66/1), Jarmo Sandelin (100/1) and Sven Struver (200/1) – all of which have won me money in the 90’s when I followed the European Tour religiously. Sven Struver at 200/1 – bloody hell, I bet he’s only got one leg or something now because he was a very capable player 10-15 years ago.

Good luck all.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Cheers everybody.

This is what has happened so far.

I started this thread for advice as my brother was due to come round as he wanted help in penning a complaints letter.

When he didn’t arrive I rang him to ask him why and he told me he was in discussion with customer services who were looking into his case.

He later rang me back to tell me that customer services said that the case was closed as they had been in touch with the shop manager who had told them that everything was in order according to the £2 bet.

What the shop manager failed to do was inform customer services that there was a £20 bet, which he decided to void because the till was (apparantly) £18 down, and put the bet back through as a £2 treble

My brother then spoke to customer services again, asking them to trace in the system the £20 bet which was subsequently voided. Customer services told my brother that they couldn’t trace the £20 bet, that the shop manager told them there was never a receip with £20 on, and told him that he was wasting their time and put the phone down on him. My brother is also adamant that when he collected his money on the Sunday, the manager told him he only voided the bet when all the horses had won, yet now the manager is denying that there was ever a £20 bet placed.

Customer services also informed my brother that the cashier now remembers him giving her £20 for the £2 treble and that she gave him £18 change. This is a complete lie as my brother placed other bets at the same time. Also, if what the cashier is saying is true, and what the manager is saying is true (that there was never a £20 bet in the system) then why would the till be £18 down at the end of the day?

My brother is fuming now that he has been made out to be a liar. He has about 10 witnesses from the shop who can vouch for the argument he had when he originally went to collect his money. He also has a lot of witnesses who saw the receipt with £20 on during the 24 hours it was in his possession.

I have lodged a complaint via email, stating all the facts and that the issue is now not about a £2 treble being settled correctly or incorrectly, the issue is now about this £20 bet thar was put through their system, is being denied all knowledge of, and cannot be traced by customer services. I asked for the email to be dealt with by a senior manager – I received a reply telling me to give them 48 hours to act upon it. I will do this.

Thanks to the very kind members of TRF I have been given contact details of ‘people in power’ if I need to take this further.

TDK, many thanks for your offer of help – I will be in touch if after the 48 hours requested by Corals I haven’t heard anything.

Cheers

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Surely the moral of the story is fill your slip in correctly. I’m sure getzippy will be happy to go around to the shop and defraud them of the 440 quid that is apparently owed.

That’s exactly the sort of reply I would have expected from you DJ – it doesn’t help one iota now, but sound advice for the future – cheers.

As for everyone else who offered friendly help and advice many thanks. I’ve managed to get past Corals Customer Care team and escalate it to someone ‘higher’ who has promised to get back to me within 48 hours to let me know if they traced the subsequently void (the cashier has now admitted it was void after all selections had won) £20 treble.

Cheers.

Mike

[MikkyMo73]

Cheers Himself,

He had the receipt with £20 on it, but when he went to collect his winnings the manager said he had voided that bet and put the slip through again as a £2 bet – all this while my brother was at home. Are they allowed to void bets without a customer present?

Customer Complaints have been on the phone to the manager who has given them the bet number for the £2 bet and has failed to mention that there was a £20 bet which he decided to void off his own back – surely this will still be tracable in the system because if it is then the manager should be in hot water for voiding the bet and also not mentioning it to the complaints team.

The problem we have now is complaints are saying the case is closed because everything is ok at their end according to the £2 bet serial number, and without the £20 bet serial number we can’t progress.

I think I need to by pass Coral Customer Complants and go straight to the top – any ideas of who to go to?

Mike

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