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Again, I’ll concede that age will eventually catch up with the Booster, but he didn’t actually have a race at any stage last year. He was as fresh as paint following every one of his victories, because he was so much better than the opposition.
You obviously missed the Agfa Hurdle at Sandown last season, I doubt he was as fresh as paint after that encounter.
The Punchestown Festival is held in the spring, and a quick look in the form book will tell you that, on lines through Quazar, BIF needs to find approximately 25lb to get into a scrap with Rooster Booster in the Champion Hurdle. That deficit was proven to be generally accurate in BIF’s defeat behind Intersky Falcon at Tipperary.
You have got to be kidding to take the Tipperary form literally, if you do your a clown. Also I think you can discount the form of BiF in punchestown, it is quite common for horses not to run to form after Cheltenham. As for your proposition Grass, I asked you to lay me odds due to the fact that you seem to think that RB just has to turn up to win.
Let me make something clear, RB was a very impressive winner of the CH last season, and he is the horse that everybody has to beat, but to suggest that he is unbeatable is quite laughable.
The best two novices of last year, contested the Champion Hurdle
I’m sure if you listened to any of the quotes after the Supreme novices, you would of heard Norman Williamson saying that if Rhinestone had of ran in the Supreme novices, he would have chosen BiF ( Not just becasue it was Edward O’Gradys horse). I don’t know if that gives you an indication of what horse he thought was better.
You are obviously bullish that Bif won’t get near RB at Cheltenham this year, what price will you offer me on BiF to win the Champion?
The pretenders to the throne are either already exposed as inferior (e.g. Intersky Falcon) or have shown a level of form miles below what is required in March (Back In Front).
Grasshoper, remember March is a long time away yet, I’m sure you’ll see the real Back In Front in March. He is far from near his peak.
Colin, I don’t see any difference in the flat horses that switched to hurdles from last year, until they run against the top class horses can they be judged.
JohnJ.<br>
Nixer,
I think your point is quite valid, RB was not considered to be CH class until winning at the open meeting last year. If Old Vic slooshes up on Saturday, your 33s will look quite nice.
JohnJ
When Back in Front is fully in tune I think you’ll see a live danger to Rooster Booster. Although to agree with some other comments posted here. The 2m Hurdle division is not all that strong.
I would imagine Solerina will be aimed at the Stayers hurdle. She ran a blinder in the Hattons Grace today, could not have been more impressed with her, I have to say she is tiny, but gallops forever!
Pocket Rocket, this isn’t directed at you, but IMO there’s altogether too much deference exhibited towards rich owners on this forum. <br>I know some people here might work for them, but please, a bit of self respect wouldn’t come amiss.
Ian, you are the people’s champion! Have you ever thought of running for parliament? Are have you already?:biggrin: <br>
tdk,
I think O’Brien was more regretful of not giving Johannesburg a prep race in the states.
It happens at the other end of the spectrum in reverse – look at Johannesburg who connections tried to make into a horse for he Kentuckly Derby through greed because they know the bloodstock industry isnt falling over itself for sprinters. Trade Fair was another example…
<br>tdk,
I would have thought that Johannesburg was more than entitled to go for the Kentucky Derby in 2002. By winning the BC Juvenile, the logical step was to give the horse a tilt at an extra two furlongs on surface he handled. Obviously, Ballydoyle/Coolmore’s decision had an awful lot to with Johannesburg’s value at stud, however I don’t think this is a good example of the point your trying make.
Dungheap,
Super response, I think you have just spit your dummy out. None of your arguments have any balance or cohesion. Criticising Ballydoyle for having an open day, what rubbish, especially when other trainers have open days.
You obviously have quite a large chip on your shoulder.<br>
Flagship,
I have no problem with people criticising Ballydoyle. However in this thread and countless others they are continuously bated. They are in the game the same as other training outfits, yet they come in for more criticism than most. As I said earlier if there was balance in this thread and others, I would not have a problem with it, but this is not the case.<br>
Flagship,
there are a lot more training establishements that do that, not just Ballydoyle, do they annoy you too?
Ian,
You’ll find that the Pegasus wings were attached by the racing post editorial team, not Aidan O’Brien. Also, I have not heard anyone say from Ballydoyle that Hawk Wing is the greatest living horse in memory, nor from anybody in this forum. As for your bet with Cormack, you”ll find that other trainers do make comparisons between current horses in their string and horses that they have already trained, so O’Brien is not alone in making those comments. And yet I have never heard you refer to those trainers.
The point I am trying to make Ian, there seems to be no balance in the arguments put forward in this thread, its just the usual negative comments that are continually directed at Ballydoyle.
The old cliché springs to mind, success breeds contempt.<br>
