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Full blooded bespoke wagering sounds fantastic, but sadly I suspect an equally fantastic opportunity for corruption.
Eddie …save your breath , the simple fact is folks including Betlarge , dont speak for anybody
Absolutely correct. I don’t speak for anyone, I’m offering my opinion (aren’t we all?).
I would now broadly support the position of a HK-style PMU operating in Britain so we are more or less in agreement.
However, I am attempting to rationalise the pitfalls and difficulties that such a move would entail – and there are many. If a PMU is to be successfully launched (or re-launched in reality!) there will be a number of seriously difficult hurdles to overcome – legal, technical, historical and social.
No amount of shouting at me is going to change that fact.
Mike
All totes penalise win & place betting relative to exotics which is why over 70% of handle ends up in exotic pools. You favour that?
Just how do you benefit from there being bookmakers? Do you show a profit from them? Do you beat the price with them?
I don’t bet with bookmakers but I believe people should have the choice to do so if they prefer.
You can’t really be as desperate as some and be prepared to accept £1.67, £1.21 or whatever the parasites at Power, Coral, Bet365 etc will allow just to keep your account open?
Or do you just like to look at the list of prices in Pricewise and pick one out at a price even if you can’t get it?
I’m afraid it’s just not regular winners who are unwelcome with the parasites these days and that can’t be good for racing.
I totally agree with all that, it’s deceptive and really poor practise in my view. As I stated earlier in this thread, I would like to see bookmakers committed to laying their quoted price up to a certain time for a certain stake, even if it was quite modest (E.g. up to 11am for £30).
The fact that they don’t do this makes their oft-quoted early prices a nonsense.
Mike
The Racing Right is up for DCMS consultation soon. Maybe slim hope but why don’t we at least try to lobby for a Right to a Minimum Bet within it, similar to New South Wales.
Just that tote punters opt for tote bets where there is comparative takeout advantage not because those are the pools they’d actually like to be playing into given a reasonably level takeout playing field. imo I’m particularly thinking worldwide tote here.
I just don’t get Betlarge’s argument that punters want bespoke horizontal bets such as trixies, yankees et al. That is what bookmakers want and market. Parimutuels can offer these bets, indeed our own tote does/did them, but the take-up suggests that there is not a great demand for them.
When offered a real choice of bets, punters all over the world opt for the type of wagers he derides – vertical bets. Why do such bets struggle here? Is it a cultural thing or because fixed-odds betting struggles to offer a competitive variant of these bets? I would suggest the latter.
You got any proof they’d ‘opt’ to go there without the large takeout incentive.
At least he sticks to his view!
Simon Clare @SiClare
Feb 21
@ggillies1 Wouldn’t be a bookmaker in business if had to take every bet from these lazy parasites. No skill, no effort yet expect to be laid
chelt is a 50/50 mix of hcps/nonhcps; top 10 races for turnover were all non-handicaps; says nothing of course, coz as we all know punters just love handicaps
Most big betting races are big handicaps.
Have you got an actual list?
jan-jun14
http://www.hblb.org.uk/document.php?id=517
slightly later addendum… sold at sig discount but above PWC valuation
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/second-bidder-unhappy-with-sale-of-racing-post-1.1979789
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/racing-post-180m-debt-bought-by-owners-with-backing-of-hayfin-1.1973226
Ultimately derailed only by some ghastly Irano-Peruvian plot, Mr Macleod’s blithe confidence could be seen in the bands of charmingly optimistic YES voters.
Mike
Really quite beautiful that.
This conversation was first raised as an issue in October 2013 and the conversation reportedly took place in February 2010.
It begs the question that if someone had a recording of it why has it taken this long to surface?
Rob
This is probably 100% wrong.
But I rationalised it as a revenge attack by RWIT, for the BHA not reciprocating RWIT’s 56 day ban on Dwyer in March 2013. They maybe pulled a few strings to get some dirt like this or someome helped them out. But they must have been very embarrassed by the BHA over that incident.
Apart from the betting angle, don’t forget Mulrennan did as he said and dropped Onassis out and kept out the way.
Mul: "I will just try to ******* sit last mine then – get out of the way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXmAabF2ZBU
If there’s to be cutting, then there’s cutting and cutting.
2001 Flat hcps 2151 non-hcps 2164
2013 Flat hcps 4095 non-hcps 2113
