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This seems the clearest proof yet that jockeys do bet unless we’re being asked to believe that this is only confined to when they are in India???
Probably close to impossible to stop but I’m afraid it is the next door neighbour to non trying and stopping horses therefore all perpetrators need to be dealt with very seriously in terms of bans in order to deter others………as ‘Dwyer’ clearly alludes to in the phone call it needs to be made to be’not worth the risk’.
If this is true then throw the book at them. Because not only have they broken the rules and defrauded punters, they are stupid for not having used better methods to avoid detection – which is guaranteed to wind the authorities up even more, as they will regard the alleged offenders as having treated them like mugs.
I am aware of at least one reasonably well known jockey who bets via a third party, the third party being the former assistant trainer of a very well known trainer. As with rats, where there is one, you are bound to find a lot more close by.
The only way to deter people from this is lifetime bans, and I think whilst we were quick to slate the Indian authorities and come down on the side of Dwyer, this tape, if authentic, shines a completely different light on the affair.
this tape, if authentic
Are there ways of proving beyond reasonable doubt that it is authentic?
I saw all this stuff months ago.
If this conversation was between two people
pretending
to be them, or was just made up, then I’m sure Dwyer and Mulrennan would have said something about it by now.
this tape, if authentic
Are there ways of proving beyond reasonable doubt that it is authentic?
For the BHA to take action they only need to prove ‘on balance of probability’
It would be almost impossible to stop a jockey having bets through a third party. You would think they would be careful about it though.
I remember a Channel 4 broadcast some years ago where the commentator Graham Goode mentioned that he fancied one of the runners but that the rules meant that he was not allowed to have a bet in the race he was commentating on. With tongue firmly in cheek he declared "I do believe my wife has had a good bet on this horse though!"
A friend of a friend of a friend etc
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Just listened again and what is really unsettling is that the voice believed to be Dwyer says at one point: "I´ll get someone to ring him & sort him out, cheeky c***".
Make of that what you will, however I must admit I was surprised that Dwyer quit the role as second jockey to Hamdan Al Maktoum, a job for life as Richard Hillas and Willie Carson before him proved. Maybe there was more to that than initially seemed.
Where’s Ginge to tell us it’s all normal and reasonable and not suggestive of a murky culture?
Where are all the believers?
You wont be hearing from Ginger or any of the cute boys on this one
it stinks though
Messy ….how does anybody prove anything here ….probably be swept under the carpet ….too difficult to fathom category
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The cheeky lads! Would definitely listen to more of these though
Apart from the betting angle, don’t forget Mulrennan did as he said and dropped Onassis out and kept out the way.
Mul: "I will just try to ******* sit last mine then – get out of the way"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXmAabF2ZBU
This conversation was first raised as an issue in October 2013 and the conversation reportedly took place in February 2010.
It begs the question that if someone had a recording of it why has it taken this long to surface?
Rob
This conversation was first raised as an issue in October 2013 and the conversation reportedly took place in February 2010.
It begs the question that if someone had a recording of it why has it taken this long to surface?
Rob
This is probably 100% wrong.
But I rationalised it as a revenge attack by RWIT, for the BHA not reciprocating RWIT’s 56 day ban on Dwyer in March 2013. They maybe pulled a few strings to get some dirt like this or someome helped them out. But they must have been very embarrassed by the BHA over that incident.
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