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  • #26242
    Avatar photoCav
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    BHA are looking for feedback from “the sport’s stakeholders and consumers” regarding the 2015 fixture list, field sizes in particular.

    By consumers I guess they mean us, the great unwashed.

    So Ricky, nows your chance…. :wink:

    http://www.britishhorseracing.presscent … t-4cd.aspx

    #481983
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    What a depressing read that is, full of management jargon and marketing speak. Any press release that includes the words ‘stakeholder’ and ‘multi-layered’ should be immediately consigned to the ‘specifically designated appropriate container’.

    But just this paragraph tells you the people that wrote some of the guff for Racing For Change featured on here a few years back are still alive and well and producing fluent b******s:

    This wider approach also encompasses the industry’s Strategy for Growth project, on which work is underway. It involves pillars focusing on increasing the horse population, ownership and breeding in future years, and on investment from targeted UK and foreign high net worth individuals.

    #482005
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    It does seem to be very vague. I can understand the point about the declining horse population but maybe they would get horses to race more often if there was more prize money.

    Also I am not convinced that the number of horses in a race is critical to betting – where is the evidence? I would like to see more 16 runner handicaps but I doubt if the bookmaking industry is pushing in that direction.

    #482012
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    Thanks Cav ,.. email sent ,

    Much obliged ….hope a load of forumites add their view as well

    cheers

    #482014
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    Please don’t give Ffos Las evening jumps fixtures when the sun is shining for starters

    #482031
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    Please don’t give Ffos Las evening jumps fixtures when the sun is shining for starters

    And bin the AW during the Flat turf season, while they’re at it.

    #482058
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    Nothing wrong with synthetic racing during the turf.

    There are horses that don’t race well on turf that the owners/trainers would like to race between the months of April and November you know.

    It is common sense to accommodate both, if there was no demand there would be no entries. If that was the case then by all means bin it for the period but the race cards fill up.

    #482063
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    And bin the AW during the Flat turf season, while they’re at it.

    No, don’t do that – there’s no compelling reason to, unless one counts a narrow interpretation of what constitutes a racing season as compelling (I don’t).

    For information, here are the figures for runners per race across the 20 fixtures between May 1st and June 11th which contained at least one race on an artificial surface:

    KEM 11/06/14 – 73 runners (7 races) = 10.43 runners per race average
    LIN 10/06/14 – 23 (3) = 7.68
    LIN 07/06/14 – 20 (2) = 10.00
    KEM 05/06/14 – 73 (7) = 10.43
    LIN 05/06/14 – 30 (3) = 10.00
    STH 05/06/14 – 54 (7) = 7.71
    KEM 04/06/14 – 79 (7) = 11.29
    STH 04/06/14 – 52 (7) = 7.43

    KEM 28/05/14 – 79 (8) = 9.88
    LIN 27/05/14 – 73 (8) = 9.13
    KEM 21/05/14 – 67 (7) = 9.57
    LIN 21/05/14 – 29 (3) = 9.67
    STH 19/05/14 – 59 (7) = 8.43
    LIN 12/05/14 – 56 (7) = 8.00
    LIN 09/05/14 – 23 (2) = 11.50
    STH 08/05/14 – 53 (7) = 7.57
    KEM 07/05/14 – 63 (7) = 9.00
    KEM 06/05/14 – 61 (7) = 8.71
    LIN 02/05/14 – 64 (7) = 9.14
    LIN 01/05/14 – 57 (7) = 8.14

    GRAND TOTALS – 1088 (120) = 9.07

    In other words, even when the supply of turf Flat fixtures can hardly be a lot higher than it is, the races on synthetics still drew average field sizes that a lot of their turf contemporaries would give their eye teeth for. No-one’s compelling anyone to run a horse on Fibresand or Polytrack in mid-summer, and yet still they do.

    gc

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    #482067
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    Hasn’t APRacing put up compelling reasons (in a previous post that I can’t find a link to) re turf husbandry, that makes AW racing during the summer a necessity.

    Personally, I think the suggestion of reducing meetings back to a six race card may be a good one.

    #482072
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    Hasn’t APRacing put up compelling reasons (in a previous post that I can’t find a link to) re turf husbandry, that makes AW racing during the summer a necessity.

    I must have missed that during one of my hiatuses from TRF, but yes, there’s assuredly that argument as well. I’d certainly like to see/find that post.

    gc

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    #482073
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    Cav , no chance of 6 . the bookies want 9 or 10

    I agree though 6 doses of 0/60 around southwell or wolves at any time is more than enough for anybody to digest !!!

    Puke sounds :x

    imo

    #482078
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    Here it is, extracted from a lengthy thread about AW track attendances:

    01 Feb 2014, 10:14
    Gladiateur,

    You question the need for AW meetings during the summer, but the reason they exist is quite simple.

    Racing has a deal with the bookies via the Levy to provide a certain number of meetings every day of the week, both afternoon and evening.

    If all the necessary flat meetings had to be staged on the available turf courses between March and November, the racing surface at most turf tracks would be ruined. They’d be dustbowls in mid summer and mudheaps in the autumn, with little or no grass in evidence.

    In addition, the process by which courses bid for fixtures gives the turf tracks the opportunity to avoid staging meetings at times when they know that crowds will be small and sponsorship difficult to obtain. Hence the much reduced number of turf fixtures in April, as the turf tracks prefer to bid for evening meetings later in the summer.

    Whether or not having AW racing during the summer is desirable is another question, but as things stand it’s inevitable.

    #482113
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    Despite some very interesting answers from GC and others, I still remain unconvinced that there is any need for AW racing during the summer months.

    Racing has a deal with the bookies….

    This says it all. AW was initially introduced, let us not forget, as a means to ensure that betting shop revenue could be maintained while snow and frost caused NH turf meetings to be abandoned. The subsequent growth of the AW programme has merely been in the interest of the bookmakers- how ironic that they bleat so much when a coup takes place. And while field sizes may be consistently respectable, attendances on the AW tracks are abysmal: of the nineteen race meetings in May 2014 which failed to attract even one thousand racegoers, seven were AW meetings. A paltry 280 viewers turned up at Lingfield on 12th May, while Kempton only attracted 421 on the sixth and Southwell 441 two days later.

    Whilst I accept that AW racing does serve a purpose for those horses unable to compete on the turf, for whatever reason, the fact remains that it is low quality racing which is of little interest to the racegoer and, as such, is a drain on the sport’s precarious funds. Restructuring the deal with the bookmakers (yes, I admit that I live in Cloud Cuckoo Land) so that there are fewer meetings but higher average race values would help the sport immeasurably. Sadly, those who run racing don’t care about the sport but only their paymasters the bookmakers.

    #482116
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    I admit that I live in Cloud Cuckoo Land) so that there are fewer meetings but higher average race values would help the sport immeasurably. Sadly, those who run racing don’t care about the sport but only their paymasters the bookmake

    I like this , it reasonates well with my thinking …way to go Sir

    Ok lets face it AP is probably spot on as per ….but it sticks in the craw nonetheless

    I firmly believe , Bittar and buddies ..will expand the ratio that AW has now from currently about 33 per cent of fixtures , to 40 per cent as soon as he can possibly get away with it , and then to 50 …are you getting the drift folks . what the bookies want , Bittar and friends give them , regardless of any long term consequences

    Chelmsford and Newcastle , are a shoo in for as many dross meetings as they want , its the way things are heading ….as Graham Taylor once said in his English managers role " DO I not like that "

    its a load of bollocks , but its happening for sure

    imo

    #482439
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    If there’s to be cutting, then there’s cutting and cutting.

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