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hope you are not blaming me for his departure
No I’m not Gingertips; as I mentioned it was more likely than not
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he’d go into a self-imposed exile at some time. Burma is nice at this time of year.
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the Loud Return of the Prodigal should Binocular piss-up at Cheltenham.
Top man, Drone.
Shame about Fists. He had definitely mellowed of late, and I hope he posts again.
I do think it important to laugh at oneself.
Value Is EverythingCorm,
I echo Ken’s sentiments, locking it would be better than deleting. Fist did say on page 2 he’d rather it was kept.
Mark
Value Is EverythingFrancome was an excellent jockey, just in my opinion not The Greatest. The 4 mentioned being better.
Did not mean to call his jockeyship in to question.
Just calling in to question whether he was the Greatest Jockey. Top 10 yes.Your point about his jockeyship insight is well made Benny.
Hope your wife gets over her lust. If Francome knows he’ll be round your place fast! Tell her Cat is on the market again too!
Mark
Sorry Mark, but while comparing different generations of jockeys is impossible, it’s easy to compare Francome to Scudamore and the former was in a different league in terms of ability. What Scu did was become the first to ensure total fitness was the biggest weapon in a jockey’s armoury and that’s how he was able to be more prolific than Jonny F, but to say he was more talented would be massively off beam.
On the other hand, he was certainly more reliable, and that’s why punters were better off following him blindly; I’d have no problem with anyone taking that point of view.
Francome as a pundit is a curate’s egg; he’s colourful enough to be good listening but the gaps in his knowledge of the formbook are often gaping. I’m a fan tbh, but would never pay attention to his picks.
Rory,
Must admit I only remember Francome towards the end of his career. He had style, balance and possibly better in a finish. But Scu often outrode Francome out in the country. This might have been something to do with Martin Pipe, when frot running tactics and fitness came to the fore. When deciding the best jockey, reliability is one of the primary considerations. It is how a jockey uses his talents that matter.My point about AP, W and RT is that Francome is no longer the greatest jockey, that’s if you think he was even the greatest of his generation.
But opinions is what it is all about.
Mark
Value Is EverythingMy grandmother had alzheimers for over 20 years. Got it at the age of 64. Sometimes I wonder whether I have it now, every time I forget, which is often. I have forgotten more about alzheimers than you will ever know. The way we got through it was to laugh, not at her but at the things she actually did or came out with.
On golf "Silly game, what’s the point of hitting a ball and walking after it?"
We found slippers in the oven and cheese in the wardrobe.
And the language! Before she had it I never heard her swear, but she must have used every four letter word. Did not matter where she was either. We were walking by the church when the vicar appears. "Got no efffin buisness parking there", she says.
Alzheimers is an awful disease but the best way to get through it, for suferer and carer alike is to laugh about things. At least until it gets so bad, they don’t know what you’re laughing about and get frustrated. Any carer out there, I suggest get in touch with the Alzheimers Disease Society.
The more jokes the more it gets recognised, made me laugh out loud.
Mark
Value Is EverythingFrancome was an excellent jockey, just in my opinion not The Greatest. The 4 mentioned being better.
Did not mean to call his jockeyship in to question.
Just calling in to question whether he was the Greatest Jockey. Top 10 yes.Your point about his jockeyship insight is well made Benny.
Hope your wife gets over her lust. If Francome knows he’ll be round your place fast! Tell her Cat is on the market again too!
Mark
Value Is EverythingJohn Francome, lost it? When did he have it?
Greatest Jockey? Scu was a better jockey the; AP, Walsh, Choc are now.
You are right, he is good when he’s looking around a yard. But he knows nothing about form. I remember when he first started with C4, Jim McGrath used to put him right all the time. I suspect he’s been told not to now, as it does not look good telly. Unless it is some inside information his tips are poor, always has been. Sometimes it is obvious he has not spent enough time reading form. Not a bad presenter and good sense of humour, apparently women like him! He knows a little about conformation but I do not listen to his opinion. There are too many ex-jockeys on TV.
I think one bloke from Swindon should be replaced by another bloke from Swindon.
Mark
Value Is EverythingFirst of all welcome Milbear.
I have had run ins with both Fist and Carv.
I was not in favour of Carv’s thread, but can understand why he started it. Fist has said time and again how wonderful he is at gambling and how he makes such a profit. Where as we all know nothing about racing. All Carv wanted to do is find out how good Fist really is. It was a bit flawed but that is what his intension was. It is only Fists resignation that makes the thread look worse than it actually was. So there was no bullying. I do not believe many people have seen the worst of Fist’s posts as they were deleted quickly.It seems as though the resignation has worked wonders on people’s sympathy.
Mark
Value Is EverythingClassic breakdown of communication, strange for a forum where so much communicating is done…
Obviously something has spooked Carvs and at the same time this has upset Fist aswell, so this should have been seen as coming and therefore ONE of the mods should have sorted it privately. No need for Corm to take all the blame imo.As I said on January 20th 2008 on Fist’s "good luck all" thread where he called it a day.
"You take care aswell Fist. Your a very impressionable character and how you’ve got through life being that way amazes me, no doubt there was many rifts and arguments in your time in racing aswell as all the good memories, and that will only be reflected on here mate.
Take care now."
Same stands now Fist, all the best.
I expect my "spat" had more to do with Fist leaving than Carv’s thread. May be I was a little too sarcastic in my humour but that is all I can think of to "apologise" for. To be honest, I suspect he may have gone before he was pushed. He said a lot of things much worse than Carv’s thread.
Corm and the mods should not shoulder ANY "blame". They did try and sort things out more than once. The only person to blame is Fist himself.
Mark
Value Is EverythingUsed to go on average twice a week (from zero to six times in a week). Most meetings at Goodwood, Newbury, Salisbury, Fontwell, Wincanton, with two or three visits each to Cheltenham, Ascot, Sandown and Bath.
Rising entrance fees, downgrading of racing, high fuel prices, poorer on-course market. Have all meant it does not give value for money these days, especially now that I have Racing UK.
So these days I tend to stick to Newbury Salisbury and Goodwood, with just an occasional trip to Wincanton, Fontwell, Ascot and Cheltenham. Had a Goodwood reciprocal at the last named yesterday.
I tend to have three quarters of my bets off-course, certainly 90% of my big (for me) bets. I find it easier to have bigger bets on betfair or off-course bookmakers. With my on-course betting being 90% saver bets. Am sure when people see me bet at the racecourse they must think I always bet in small amounts. It does hurt more to lose cash; silly isn’t it? Does feel great having a big win in notes though.
My betting is true odds / value based anyway. So, I have to bet when I can see value. If my judgement of value is good, then it is useless to wait until I am track side. Other good judges will have taken the price, leaving me with no value. There may be other horses that look value having now drifted out, but I am cautious about drifting horses.
I only bet in two, three or four races in a day, very rarely five. Depending on the quality of racing and time spent studying.
Mark
Value Is EverythingInstead of this private handbags-at-dawn, my-tips-are-better-than-yours nonsense Ginger, why don’t you – and Fister if he’s still around – simply enter one/some/all of the existing TRF competitions.
The Order of Merit competition for example, if David Brady doesn’t mind late starters, and you two don’t mind not qualifying for the prizes.
it’s not the winning, it’s the taking part
Drone,
As you can see I was not really in favour of this thread anyway.
It is not a case of “my tips are better than yours”. As Carv says, he often described others (including me) as “knowing nothing about racing”. I thought it might encourage Fist to write his own thread and might enjoy the challenge.I hope you are not blaming me for his departure. And hope this is not going to stop people questioning what others say. After all, we criticise those within racing; Paul Nicholls, Dave Nevison and all. It is a bit hypocritical for us to object. As long as those questions are about our racing opinions.
It was not his manner that I objected to. It was the fact he accused me of throwing personal comments at him; when I was just pointing out the inconsistencies in his arguments. e.g. Saying one thing on one thread about Kauto Star and totally the opposite on another. Then claiming credit for it, and not apologising when this was pointed out.
If you look on the TRF Awards, I was just about to vote for him myself, when he attacked Librettist. Used to enjoy our debates, we rarely agreed but that was fine. I’d say there were plenty of people he was spiteful to. The swearing was not neccessary either.
Never knew they competitions existed, will take a look.
I would welcome Fist back if he did want to return. I bear no grudges. If your watching Fist, as far as I am concerned, let’s wipe the slate clean. As you used to say “Ginge is bombproof”.
Mark
Mark
Value Is EverythingHmmmm,
Not sure if I think this thread is a good idea or not. I do wish Fist would do his own thread. But for another person to do it….
Seems in poor taste to me.
And how can you tell if Fist backed them or not?
You might think from what he wrote before the race he backed Calgary Bay "hack canter", but afterwards he said the price was too big so did not back it.
Still, will be interesting anyway Carv.
Not sure I would’ve got away with it.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI have Star De Mohaison as the best value bet here at 3.7/1 on betfair. Not surprised Walsh is on Nozic as SDM has been Barry’s ride since the SA Chase. Stays, jumps, acts on soft, acts at Cheltenham.
Halcon is one of my favourite racehorses, class act but I agree with Reet. May want further unless it is a bog.
Tidal Bay stays 3m1f around Wetherby on soft so unless it is a bog should do so here. I an more worried about his temperament. Seems to be getting worse. I know he’s gone well at Cheltenham in the past, but if he does hit a flat spot may give the rest a start. Never surprise me if one day refuses to start. Having said that might be worth a saver at the prices.
Nozic looks the improver in the field but needs to. Can hit one and has not got as good Cheltenham form as some. Looks short enough now considering the weight turn around with TB. FOF’s 7/1 looks value though.
I have the others at 25/1 or more.
Mark
Value Is EverythingSo did we – I got outvoted
It’s just that you’re so unassuming, HJ. At least I had the same idea as the mighty Mr Armstrong.
I can not blame Mr. Armstrong as George Duffield was my pick. But they do say great minds think alike.
The reason why Weatherbys were in the multi choice quiz was that they were relegated last year for finishing last in the Elite quiz. So you are in illustrious (or should that be dubious) company.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI had a butchers at his (Bishop) site today and it’s basically an upmarket version of what Mounty has been doing for years (as well as us poor imitators).
It’s a method that works for me, in that if you know the foibles of a smallish horse population well pounds and lengths are’nt as important as the conditions of a given race (course, field size, time of year, distance, shape of race etc).
I think his point about Timeform etc is perfectly valid- I’d be surprised if anyone could make a decent percentage profit using only that in this day and age without some other edge- all of the odds compilers read it too.In a way I agree with you Carv, if you are talking about just the Timeform rating. A pound or two here or there does not matter so much as going, distance etc. "Form" (one horse against the next) is often over-rated by the punter and bookmaker.
Indeed, say there is a two horse race where A beats B by a length. Then they meet in another 2 horse race a week later with conditions exactly the same. The horses are just as exposed as each other, weights, ground, jockeys, everything, other than the betting of course. I will be far more likely to back B than A. You’d expect A to win more often, but punters will probably over bet A and make it a poor value bet. Where as B will probably be a good value bet.
So ratings are often over bet too.
But Timeform are about more than ratings, you can find out about every aspect of a horses character, likes, dislikes, probable likes and probable dislikes.
Odds compilers do use Timeform, true. But doesn’t that tell you they are good? So if a punter does not use the best, what chance has he got? Odds compilers use it to form their prices, but it is still opinion. If I look at the same information I will probably come up with a different price. Allowing more for one aspect of a horses chance than another aspect.
Mark
Value Is EverythingHmmmm,
Been doing other things over the past few days. Not got round to looking at this.If it was a mistake to take Free World on, and the race was apparently slowly run (not convinced ). But if it was, do the two go together with a stayer at the trip?
In a slowly run race, had Calgary Bay been held up further off the pace; wouldn’t he be even more outpaced? Because he’d have more ground to make up and the end of the race would’ve been even faster run. With a slower run first half of the race the second half is bound to be run faster, the runners having more energy.
One man’s mockery is another man’s pointing out flaws in another man’s argument.
One man’s slag is another man’s……
Value Is Everything
