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Instead of this private handbags-at-dawn, my-tips-are-better-than-yours nonsense Ginger, why don’t you – and Fister if he’s still around – simply enter one/some/all of the existing TRF competitions.
The Order of Merit competition for example, if David Brady doesn’t mind late starters, and you two don’t mind not qualifying for the prizes.
it’s not the winning, it’s the taking part
I’m afraid Fist has indicated to me that he’s no longer going to post on the forum.
On reflection I’m not sure I handled this latest spat of his very well so apologies to all concerned.
I wouldn’t let it concern you Cormack; his departure was odds-on to happen sooner or later and several have taken their ball home only to re-join the game after realising they need the forum more than/as much as it needs them.
My feelings towards Fist are ambivalent, as they are most on this forum; but as Andrew Hughes pointed out he had cooled down and become a little more gentlemanly of late, and certainly didn’t deserve to exit on the back of this petty little thread.
all very sixth-form
I know Mr Fist was always winding people up but I never found him to be spiteful towards other people on the forum and, as many people voted for him, they must have found his posts entertaining…He was very pleasant and helpful when I have spoken to him about various matters and I hope he changes his mind about leaving.
I’m genuinely sorry to hear that Fist has left- that was not my intention. I’ll believe it when it happens though!
This thread was motivated by his condescending attitude to other posters: Quotes like "That’s why I’ll always make my racing pay and you are clueless " etc just got under my skin- as someone who has spent thousands of hours pursuing a small edge in the game I can spot a spoofer at 100 yards. Last year he was good fun but this year his sniping at forumites who dare disagree with him has been a serious annoyance.
I predict he’ll be back and if he is, I hope he learns to respect others on here and keep his bragging for the bars of Phuket.
Instead of this private handbags-at-dawn, my-tips-are-better-than-yours nonsense Ginger, why don’t you – and Fister if he’s still around – simply enter one/some/all of the existing TRF competitions.
The Order of Merit competition for example, if David Brady doesn’t mind late starters, and you two don’t mind not qualifying for the prizes.
it’s not the winning, it’s the taking part
Drone,
As you can see I was not really in favour of this thread anyway.
It is not a case of “my tips are better than yours”. As Carv says, he often described others (including me) as “knowing nothing about racing”. I thought it might encourage Fist to write his own thread and might enjoy the challenge.I hope you are not blaming me for his departure. And hope this is not going to stop people questioning what others say. After all, we criticise those within racing; Paul Nicholls, Dave Nevison and all. It is a bit hypocritical for us to object. As long as those questions are about our racing opinions.
It was not his manner that I objected to. It was the fact he accused me of throwing personal comments at him; when I was just pointing out the inconsistencies in his arguments. e.g. Saying one thing on one thread about Kauto Star and totally the opposite on another. Then claiming credit for it, and not apologising when this was pointed out.
If you look on the TRF Awards, I was just about to vote for him myself, when he attacked Librettist. Used to enjoy our debates, we rarely agreed but that was fine. I’d say there were plenty of people he was spiteful to. The swearing was not neccessary either.
Never knew they competitions existed, will take a look.
I would welcome Fist back if he did want to return. I bear no grudges. If your watching Fist, as far as I am concerned, let’s wipe the slate clean. As you used to say “Ginge is bombproof”.
Mark
Mark
Value Is EverythingI’m afraid Fist has indicated to me that he’s no longer going to post on the forum.
On reflection I’m not sure I handled this latest spat of his very well so apologies to all concerned.
I don’t understand. What spat of Fist’s? As far as I can tell, he handled this thread remarkably well.
On the tipping issue, it is clear that Fists has big bets and little bets, so it is unfair to compile a list of his selections at level stake.
For instance, read his advice to punters, when he has said have 10 big bets a year, instead of all those little bets.
It is also clear that his betting year revolves around Cheltenham. It explains why he is keen on both Butler’s Cabin and Character Building for the GN, as they came 1st & 2nd in the NH Chase a couple of years ago.
He has also made it clear that he concentrates on horses that produce spectacular performances, and bets them in the top level weights races.
I think you can take with a pinch of salt what he says about h’caps, just as you can take with a pinch of salt anything I might say about anything other than possibly sprint h’caps (not that I’m going to say anything about them – I want to maintain my sanity and privacy, and not become neurotic about messing up.)
Gerald
I hope fists doesnt leave over this, he has accused pretty much everyone of knowing nothing at some point, for disagreeing, myself included but its all in jest and brings a light-heartedness to the forum.
His arguments often made good reading and I have no doubt he has had a few goood results in his time on here through being able to spot the good ones and backing them heavily.
I think his second in the forumite of the year comp showed how much many people enjoyed the fun aspect he brings to the forum, and I for one will be disappointed if he leaves.
hope you are not blaming me for his departure
No I’m not Gingertips; as I mentioned it was more likely than not (55.6%) he’d go into a self-imposed exile at some time. Burma is nice at this time of year.
83.3% the Loud Return of the Prodigal should Binocular piss-up at Cheltenham.
Classic breakdown of communication, strange for a forum where so much communicating is done…
Obviously something has spooked Carvs and at the same time this has upset Fist aswell, so this should have been seen as coming and therefore ONE of the mods should have sorted it privately. No need for Corm to take all the blame imo.As I said on January 20th 2008 on Fist’s "good luck all" thread where he called it a day.
"You take care aswell Fist. Your a very impressionable character and how you’ve got through life being that way amazes me, no doubt there was many rifts and arguments in your time in racing aswell as all the good memories, and that will only be reflected on here mate.
Take care now."
Same stands now Fist, all the best.
I expect my "spat" had more to do with Fist leaving than Carv’s thread. May be I was a little too sarcastic in my humour but that is all I can think of to "apologise" for. To be honest, I suspect he may have gone before he was pushed. He said a lot of things much worse than Carv’s thread.
Corm and the mods should not shoulder ANY "blame". They did try and sort things out more than once. The only person to blame is Fist himself.
Mark
Value Is EverythingI have been enjoying this forum for well over a year now and i have to say that Carvills thread last season was excellent. The way he addressed each race antepost based on his opinion of value really appealed to my way of punting and needless to say his proven profit was a massive achievement. That being said, this thread has smacked more than a bit of bullying. In the past i have read Fist’s comments and the retalliation from other forumites – and there is no doubt that he has prevoked reactions due to the content, or nature of his posts. From Carv’s position i understand his motivation in starting and continuing this thread but as a bystander I feel compelled to condemn the reacton and fuelling of its continuation. By singling out ANY regular contributer to the forum in this way you are insinuating that his opinion is judged solely on the merits of his success: In which case it makes a mockery of perpetuating a forum where opinions are freely encouraged and debated. Any regular reader of this forum will make his/her own opinions as to the merits of each posters judgement as the content is discussed in the thread. Lets face it, you wouldnt read or post in this forum if you had all the answers so with our own ignorance in mind, i suggest we keep to debating horse racing issues, not creating threads ridiculing those debating.
Theres lots to talk about and enjoy chaps. Fists no doubt feels mobbed by the direction this thread has taken and I for one would feel that without his input TRF has become a little more about the forumites than the topic.
First of all welcome Milbear.
I have had run ins with both Fist and Carv.
I was not in favour of Carv’s thread, but can understand why he started it. Fist has said time and again how wonderful he is at gambling and how he makes such a profit. Where as we all know nothing about racing. All Carv wanted to do is find out how good Fist really is. It was a bit flawed but that is what his intension was. It is only Fists resignation that makes the thread look worse than it actually was. So there was no bullying. I do not believe many people have seen the worst of Fist’s posts as they were deleted quickly.It seems as though the resignation has worked wonders on people’s sympathy.
Mark
Value Is EverythingAll fair points Ginger and I dispute none of them. I never revealed my own opinion of Fist but i wouldnt hesitate in saying he added a regular flavour to the mix…
If you look back over the thread i think you will find that more objections have been raised to its existance than support right from the off – so i dont think his resignation is all that has provoked objection. Also, while looking through the previous threads i didnt notice many that were aimed at an individual poster in an attempt to undermine him. Still, this is my opinion and not my argument so I would prefer to slope back into the ‘reader’ section of the forum for now……Many thx for the welcome though. Hopefully this thread will disappear into oblivion sooner rather than later.
I went to an all girl school so I know about bullying and this thread smacked of bullying to me; the fact is that it started with a referral to Fist being the second most favourite forumite which immediately seemed like sour grapes to me; yes, forums are about communication but it’s a bit like driving a car, you can behave in a way towards people that you wouldn’t do face to face; ok Fist has his faults, as do we all, but to say that he invited this is wrong. At the same time if everyone was totally polite to everone else the whole time it would be very boring..lets just get the balance right! [by the way, l have a friend who’s a moderator on another forum and it is a thankless task, so I do appreciate the time and effort that people put into this forum[.
The way things have turned out, I regret this thread. I thought Fists was a bit more thick-skinned than he evidently is and his early replies to the thread indicated that he was taking it in the right spirit. I didn’t see the deleted posts with others and have no way of telling how much effect they had. As to the accusations of bullying, if true then he himself was guilty of a far more prolonged and widespead campaign of it against multiple forumites. It’s worth remembering that this thread only ran for a few days and would have been knocked on the head at Corm’s request anyway, so leaving because of it was a little extreme. In a PM to me Fists expressed no ill-will but cited other reasons for leaving the Forum.
hope you are not blaming me for his departure
No I’m not Gingertips; as I mentioned it was more likely than not (55.6%) he’d go into a self-imposed exile at some time. Burma is nice at this time of year.
83.3% the Loud Return of the Prodigal should Binocular piss-up at Cheltenham.
Top man, Drone.
Shame about Fists. He had definitely mellowed of late, and I hope he posts again.
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