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why is segal so good? is he some kind of genius? I have a theory about this.. that he gets inside information.
Join together is just another Aiteenthirtythree mark 2. Not quick enough to win an RSA.
Lay him till the cows come home.
question is whether he idled in front or just isn’t that good. jury is still out on that one. in some ways he oozes class but you would have expected more against that lot. presenter making a lot of the fact that challow hurdle winners have a terrible record in the neptune as well.
fingal bay is very short to win the challow hurdle today at newbury, however I have a feeling that he’s somewhat overrated given the amount of hype surrounding this horse (trainer has described how he could be the best he’s ever trained, etc ) and has yet to post any decent speed figures. we’ll learn more about him after todays race.
I quite like the chance of oscars well in the champion after that decent run today.
he got outspeeded by the filly today, but at cheltenham up the hill his lack of a change of gears may not be so significant.
last year he came to himself in the spring, and was travelling best of all in the neptune before making a horrendous mistake at the last. he stays further than 2 miles as well which you often need in a champion hurdle winner. certainly rates a very decent each way bet.
noland never ran in the rsa hurdle he ran in the supreme.. surely you are referring to the weld horse?
grands crus oozes class.
given the owner now reckons that he’s 70-30 more likely to line up in the gold cup than the rsa, he now becomes the one to beat in my eyes.
I wouldn’t be put off by the fact he’s a novice at all. master minded probably had a similar level of experience over fences when he scooted up in the queen mum a few years back.
given that for all kauto has looked back to his best this year, he will be 12 by the time of next years gold cup and by that token should hardly be invulnerable, and I can’t have long run at all.
grands crus chips all in
stilvi
Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:49 pm
I very much doubt – given the stamina issue – that the intention will be for Sprinter Sacre to lead in the Arkle.what stamina issue? I think too much is made of sprinter sacre not "getting up the hill" in the supreme. in my eyes he got up the hill fine for such a young horse, who clearly is big and gangly and had some strengthening up to do. I think we can tell already that he’s strengthed over the summer break and connections have alluded to that.
he got up the hill no problem, just that on the day spirit son and al ferof got up the hill better. It’s not like he completely faded out of it to finish 7th or 8th. he still finished ahead of cue card, who connections think stays further than 2 miles.
you could make the argument I suppose, that al ferof will charge up the hill again and nab sprinter sacre like he did in the supreme, but I think that he won’t be within hailing distance after the last for that even to be an issue.
i’m with hurdygurdyman here. I think it’ll be very difficult indeed for al ferof to keep tabs on sprinter sacre in the arkle and i’m very confident that he’ll reverse form from the supreme.
also i’m far from convinced that al ferof’s jumping is as faultless as some have made out, he fell in a point to point and on his chasing debut (ok this might be nitpicking here but the arkle is a ruthless examination) he dived at a couple early on.
In fact i’d still rate peddlers in front of al ferof, and mccain seems to now be convinced that he wasn’t himself at kempton (although i’m not sure i’m totally convinced by that)
basically sprinter sacre is a monster and I believe he’ll be racings next superstar. I think he’ll put them to the sword in the arkle. sure you could fancy peddlers or al ferof in a normal arkle, but it’s my belief that sprinter sacre is no ordinary horse.
agreed. he reminds me mostly of aertyuiop, more than any other horse, both real powerhouses, a great big bull of a chaser.
I made the following observation on the wayward lad novices thread :
Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:12 pm
a lot of people seem to be implying that peddlers cross didn’t run to form, but i’m not so sure.nick mordin is his column, made the point after peddlers cross last run at bangor that peddlers cross needs a long break in between his races, because he puts so much into them.
he tends to be the opposite type of horse to the one who just does enough, and predicted that if he ran again soon after that bangor run he would get beat and would drift out for the arkle, and would then be a good bet for the cheltenham race. so you could argue he bounced.
he was probably right about that but looking at the race today he was dwarfed by the henderson horse, who simply took lengths out at him at every fence, and for a big gangly horse showed a huge amount of accelaration in the home straight to back up his exhiliarting jumping. it could well be that mccain has simply made a mistake with peddlers cross and that he should have been kept to hurdles, as his career was progressing nicely in that sphere.
a lot of people seem to be implying that peddlers cross didn’t run to form, but i’m not so sure.
nick mordin is his column, made the point after peddlers cross last run at bangor that peddlers cross needs a long break in between his races, because he puts so much into them.
he tends to be the opposite type of horse to the one who just does enough, and predicted that if he ran again soon after that bangor run he would get beat and would drift out for the arkle, and would then be a good bet for the cheltenham race. so you could argue he bounced.
he was probably right about that but looking at the race today he was dwarfed by the henderson horse, who simply took lengths out at him at every fence, and for a big gangly horse showed a huge amount of accelaration in the home straight to back up his exhiliarting jumping. it could well be that mccain has simply made a mistake with peddlers cross and that he should have been kept to hurdles, as his career was progressing nicely in that sphere.
I don’t even think he’ll have to get up the hill that well, as he’ll be so far clear by the last that it won’t really matter.
I think sprinter sacre will win, because he looks more the natural chaser to me, whereas I think peddlers is a hurdler they are trying to make a chaser, which I don’t understand when he’s done nothing wrong over hurdles and would have surely progressed in that sphere. However we may well learn tomorrow that donald mccain had the right idea all along.
certainly as we say today the very short run in after the last fence won’t give peddlers cross much chance to "outstay" sprinter sacre. he’ll have to keep tabs with him and be at the very worst a couple of lengths down going into the straight, something I believe will prove difficult to achieve.
having said that if sprinter sacre is behind going into the straight its very difficult to see him winning, whereas you reverse that scenario and you could very well see peddlers cross cutting into the deficit.
