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It was the race of the day because of the horses that happened to turn up in it. However,it was the last race on the card and at the end of the day was a non graded novice chase.
Mickey I wouldn’t say it’s too much of guesswork.
Yes there are doubts about horses going to stud but not total luck.
Sea the Stars comes from a proven family of stallions. His dam has two sons before him standing at stud,with one being a dual champion sire. The only question regarding his ability will be from Cape Cross. It’s difficult to say how he’ll influence it.I meant in terms of sending mares to them rather than buying proven progeny of them.
I’m unsure about Authorized,he doesn’t have a particularly great family on his dam’s side.Only time will tell
If Derby winners don’t provide the competition where will it come from? Godolfin need to step up to the plate.Is it Galileo versus his sons? Pretty soon he will be unavailable to the less than multi- million breeder if he is not so already.
That doesn’t bother Ballydoyle,it’ no more than Danehill,breeders are still using his services.
They have a lot to thank Jim Bolger for his success,too,seeing as he used him so much because he couldn’t afford the more expensive stallions at the time.Godolphin need to start using Coolmore stallions again if they are to start producing some competition for Juddmonte and Coolmore. The two have the mutual respect and understanding that utilising each other’s stallions are for their mutual benefit. Look at the amount of Dansili 2 year olds that Coolmore had this year. The sooner Godolphin use this approach the better it’ll be for them,both in terms of runners and stallion prospects.
I can see Motivator going to Japan.
I wouldn’t be so quick to write off Workforce. Although I don’t like his name either,King’s Best comes from the best family in racing. He could be the next Galileo for all we know.
Pour Moi will be standing in Ireland for Coolmore,I’m sure he’ll be plenty popular here too after his memorable win in the Derby
That is quite correct. I also can’t wait for New Approach next year,I believe he had some excellent mares sent to him.
I can’t believe there was even a thread created about this topic.
When one is so successful these things become an issue. Aidan was in no way rude to the interviewer,he had clearly been interrupted in a brilliant moment for him,I’d say he’d gotten about twenty texts as soon as Joseph crossed the line.
If this deserves a thread then doesn’t Richard Hannon Jnr’s childish comments about the Americans treating the British as second class citizens deserve a bigger response? Typical Hannon band wagon,blame anything but their horse when they lose. Also the ground was ”too loose”. Ruining his horse’s chances.
And how about Ryan Moore after his ride on Carlton House in the Derby?
My word he came across as a spoilt little boy who didn’t have his way,crying on tv. Blaming the fact that he lost on the fact that he had to come wide,even though the winner came behind him.I was delighted he was put in his place in the Irish Derby. Where is the horse now?
Good point cormack.
I look forward to them been added in the next few years when they’re retired to their paddocks.
Someone before me discounted the group one races in canada. So I accepted their rating . Based on their rating I upgraded Wadings victory since it was gotten in GB so to speak.Surely a listed race at Doncaster,Newmarket or Ascot must be as good as a group one in Canada?However for some reason winning the Epsom derby seems to lack the enthusiasm which John Magnier displays for it with his multiple entries every year.
That was me who said that.
That doesn’t automatically mean one can upgrade a group 2 in Britain,but I understand where you are coming from.
I mean from the point of view that Miss Keller rated 100 when with John Oxx,well short of group 1 level.
I’m not quite sure if you’re serious or exaggerating about the Listed race being the same level.
I disagree about your point. The Derby is probably the biggest race in Europe,if not,only beaten by the Arc. What do all Derby winners have in common?
Pour Moi
Workforce
Sea the Stars
New Approach
Authorized
Sir Percy
Motivator
High Chaparral
Galileo and others. All are or will be,in demand at stud,the whole point of breeding,hoping to stand a champion stallion.A Group One is a Group One.Perhaps Wading did not win a Group One, but since English races seem to be the Gold Standard many people rated that as high as a Group One in Canada.As for the Champion Hurdle 2011, Montjue got the winner.At least as good as the Leger,no? Just another option.But nevertheless you go to Montjue for a Derby winner.To Galileo for the rest.I look to Camelot to provide Montjue with another Derby winner in 2012.
How you can compare an all age race in Canada to a two year old race in England baffles me.
How could you rate it as a group 1 next to that?
I also find it difficult how you can compare a Classic winner by a flat sire to a Champion Hurdle winner. A classic winner is bred for the job,Hurricane Fly was ultimately a colt who couldn’t cut it on the flat,so was gelded and switched to hurdles.
You go to Montjeu hoping for a derby winner. If you get a filly,you aren’t happy.
You go to Galileo for anything. You get a colt or filly,you’re happy. That’s what makes him a better stallion.
So you would praise a stallion who got a TRIUMPH HURDLE winner then? its good to know that a stallion can get top class NH winners because not all colts get to keep there Nuts do they?
they are both very good stallions at the end of the day
I was referring to praising them as just a NH stallion.
Don’t be naive,Galileo can get anything from 6 furlong two year olds to milers at three to Leger winners. Montjeu,for the most part,is not as versatile.
Obviously it is good to get a stallion who can be a NH stallion,but no one who sends a mare to Montjeu at 75k is hoping that they’ll eventually have a horse racing over hurdles. You get get a nice NH stallion at a tenth of the cost.
The lack of run didn’t count against Oscar Wells,it was the 2 miles. Why he is running over that distance I’m unsure. And he will not beat Hurricane Run over 2 miles.
Two of those fillies were unfancied ones at Woodbine,one who had been rated in the 90’s IIRC when with John Oxx and the other had been soundly beaten in the Vermeille before that.
I’d like to see them recreate that form in Europe before I praise them a whole lot,those grade 1’s at Woodbine can be grade 1 in name only.
Who was the third filly in October?I wouldn’t necessarily praise a stallion who stands at 75k who got a champion hurdle winner. Coolmore would rather a group 1 one winner on the flat than a champion hurdle winner by Montjeu anyday. If anything,him siring national hunt winners would devalue him as a stallion,no breeder would pay 75k for a national hunt stallion.
As an all rounder,Galileo is the best sire in the world.
He comes from probably the greatest bloodline in racing,with BlackSamBellamy and Sea the Stars as half brothers,and King’s Best been a close relative.Galileo’s family line is further boosted this year from Wonder of Wonders classic placed,as well as Wading looking like a top filly for next year,although by Montjeu. This is the first filly by Montjeu that I’ve been really excited about,but I don’t think it’s due to Monjteu’s input,it’s all down to the Urban Sea blood in her I think.
Both have had great seasons but at the end of the day Galileo has a remarkable number of group 1 winners. Off the top of my head:
Frankel
Together
Treasure Beach
Misty for Me
The South african filly
Roderic O’Connor
Nathaniel
Cape Blanco
Golden Lilac
GalikovaI don’t know where that person got it from that Galileo has been quiet since Derby day.
For tough 3 year old Middle distance runners,Montjeu is an excellent stallion
