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Back on topic, how about Crown Dependency?
Third in the Norfolk, now gelded and beaten in sellers.
All time low today of being last in a seller at Brighton.You know it’s bad when the words ”gave up” are included in a race summary for a horse.
Crown Dependency is one. Another must be Bonfire since his Dante. Thought Rockinante would make a good horse this year too.
Disappointing we’ve yet to see Parish Hall, I also can’t wait to see Declaration of War. War Front looks like the real deal as a stallion
What channel?
I can’t understand people’s dislike toward Coolmore. They are a business,and the best stud in the world in all probability, consistently producing the best horses year in year out. I suppose success breeds contempt,though.Oh theres no contempt, Black Sam, I didn’t even introduce Ballydoyle into the thread. In my 33 years or so of incurable sports fanaticism, I don’t recall any sporting person/animal I ever held in contempt. Perhaps that’s the enduring appeal of sport for me, its above contempt. Its the escape into something more glorious and sharing those glorious stories, opinions and experiences with kindred spirits.
For all there is to admire about how Coolmore make money and run their bloodstock business, for reasons best known to themselves they choose not to share their sporting stories, opinions and experiences in a meaningful way with the rest of us. And I’ve never understood that.
Dark glasses on a grey day
Dubai Racing Channel by the way.
Sorry Cavelino I didn’t specifically mean that to be aimed at you, but on plenty of forums and even on the Racing Post or there Facebook page the amount of Ballydoyle bashing is astounding.
Not trying to be funny, but is that racing channel on a digital service or what? I never came across it
All the figures for following big stables shows is that backing them blind is a potent weapon in the mug punter’s quest to donate their money to bookmakers.
The biggest problem that the Godolphin operation has is the development of their horses from 2 to 3. They do not seem able to prepare a runner for the 2000 Guineas or the Derby, despite having plenty of potential candidates going into the winter. Royal Ascot seems the earliest they are able to get their horses ready to compete. They have not really filled the void that David Loder left.
Agree with this – when is the last time Godolphon had a colt placed in either the 2000G or the Derby? Is the answer to both questions Dubawi?
Rewilding was third in the Derby behind Workforce. not sure about the Guineas question
O’Brien is 18.64% -537.65 in the last 5 years. Even taking Irish overrounds into account its hardly better is it?
You cannot compare O’Brien’s operation in the UK where only his
best
horses compete, to Godolphin, where
all
of their horses compete. In addition the ethos of Godolphin is far more biased towards competing on a sporting basis at a level suitable for the particular horse concerned, rather than the almost entirely stallion/broodmare making operation that Ballydoyle run. Sheikh Hamdan’s (son) horses are running in northern handicaps every day of the week ffs. You need to make that distinction between operations before comparing them. Have you compared O’Brien’s return to Sir Henry’s over the same period? Does that make Sir Henry crap as well?
Whats your problem with midweek maidens?
Newbury and Newmarket yesterday….stable going through lean spell shocker. Sir Michael?
But above all what draws me to Godolphin over Ballydoyle is their approach to the sport.
Their free channel that gives me live RUK/ATR every day of the flat season, every big global meeting live
. The website with all of the free Timeform stuff and news that informs. The openness of the racing manager, their willingness to share and promote this great sport with us, the people who follow it.
Contrast that to the definitely-maybe, po-faced grinders. Men in sunglasses, churchyard huddled, parochial.
Nah…Godolphin. Anyday.
What channel?
I can’t understand people’s dislike toward Coolmore. They are a business,and the best stud in the world in all probability, consistently producing the best horses year in year out. I suppose success breeds contempt,though.
Del Boy, Ballydoyle don’t mind losing their first race."They will come on from that race" is typical Aidan speak after losing their initial race.
I wouldn’t be too worried about them being beaten first time out either. I read a few weeks ago that all of O’Brien’s 1000 Guineas winners have been beaten first time out, an interesting trend
Hi Black Sam,You misunderstood me or I failed to communicate.I meant to say they left the horse with Jim after they acquired him,unlike most purchases from other stables.Normally they buy and die!!!
PS don’t misunderstand me again.Metaphorical death.Sorry andy, a true point though. Can’t really remember many horses going to Godolphin and improving though I’m sure there are of course.
What do you mean by your PS?
It cannot be the jockeys,they have the best in the land.It cannot be the horses,they buy and breed the best.It cannot be the trainer.Bin Suroor has trained many Group One and BC winners.So what is the problem? D***ed if I know.Could it be the shuffle?Only one way to find out.Spread the horses around and leave them with the same trainer until ready to retire ala Jim Bolger’s New Approach.After a couple of seasons reevaluate.That was how they started and it worked in the beginning.
The example of Bolger’s is incorrect: The horse was purchased from him, it wasn’t sent to him.
For Godolphin to start really firing I think it needs to use Coolmore stallions. Juddmonte and Coolmore use each others with great success.
Haha andy that example is so irrelevant it’s funny. And I don’t mean that in a cheeky way.
There was nothing amiss with him at Cheltenham. He was found out to be the overhyped horse I thought he was in the first place.
I am really quite suprise that Yeats is stading as a flat stallion in 2012. How long will it be before he will stand at Coolmore NH. Bearing in mind that Yeats is a jumps stallion in all but name just look at the number of NH mares he has covered already.
He had been listed under Coolmore National Hunt last year.
Has STS gone down in price?
I always wondered what the commercial value in ALfred Nobel was, and Zoffany has a similarly average profile for quite a few thousand.
Maybe I am missing something here?Sad to see Danehill Dancer down. Dancing Rain was a nice filly for him this year.
His fee is remaining at 85 thousand euro.
Alfred Nobel is good value for me. I think he’ll get some precocious two year olds,probably the same with Zoffany.
Alfred Nobel has some lovely bloodline on his dams side. His great grand dam is the dam of New Approach.WHITSBURY MANOR STUD
Sakhee’s Secret £5,500
Compton Place £6,000
Showcasing £4,500
Avonbridge £3,000
Rum,my apologies if I picked you up wrong,I thought you were saying I lie to moan.
Plen I’m genuinely not trying to be funny here,but I have no idea what you’re on about.
Some stand out ones for me:
Pivotal down 10k is good value at 45k.
Dubawi at 75k is daylight robbery. I’d have Dansili 100 times out of 100 at the same price.
A 15k drop in price for Danehill Dancer,a stallion I’m a big fan of.
Not surprised to see Teofilo go up in price,has the promisings of a very nice sire.
Going to Canford Cliffs at 17,5k is simply laughable,probably the worst bloodline of anyone up there. I’d much rather Rip at the same price.
Not surprised to see Dylan Thomas drop in price either. I didn’t like his two year olds this year from some nice mares
I agree,I would have liked to see it on Channel 4. However,no need to jump down my throat. At the end of the day,it is just a novice chase and nothing more,hence it wasn’t on channel 4,which is what I said.
