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All the figures for following big stables shows is that backing them blind is a potent weapon in the mug punter’s quest to donate their money to bookmakers.
I was thinking this as Commend started favourite at Ripon. Another Stoute horse at a falsely short price. He’s had a dire season so far, and yet people still lump on.
Varian and Noseda are others who have these ridiculously short priced horses that are often beaten.
All the figures for following big stables shows is that backing them blind is a potent weapon in the mug punter’s quest to donate their money to bookmakers.
The biggest problem that the Godolphin operation has is the development of their horses from 2 to 3. They do not seem able to prepare a runner for the 2000 Guineas or the Derby, despite having plenty of potential candidates going into the winter. Royal Ascot seems the earliest they are able to get their horses ready to compete. They have not really filled the void that David Loder left.
Agree with this – when is the last time Godolphon had a colt placed in either the 2000G or the Derby? Is the answer to both questions Dubawi?
O’Brien is 18.64% -537.65 in the last 5 years. Even taking Irish overrounds into account its hardly better is it?
You cannot compare O’Brien’s operation in the UK where only his
best
horses compete, to Godolphin, where
all
of their horses compete. In addition the ethos of Godolphin is far more biased towards competing on a sporting basis at a level suitable for the particular horse concerned, rather than the almost entirely stallion/broodmare making operation that Ballydoyle run. Sheikh Hamdan’s (son) horses are running in northern handicaps every day of the week ffs. You need to make that distinction between operations before comparing them. Have you compared O’Brien’s return to Sir Henry’s over the same period? Does that make Sir Henry crap as well?
Whats your problem with midweek maidens?
Newbury and Newmarket yesterday….stable going through lean spell shocker. Sir Michael?
But above all what draws me to Godolphin over Ballydoyle is their approach to the sport.
Their free channel that gives me live RUK/ATR every day of the flat season, every big global meeting live
. The website with all of the free Timeform stuff and news that informs. The openness of the racing manager, their willingness to share and promote this great sport with us, the people who follow it.
Contrast that to the definitely-maybe, po-faced grinders. Men in sunglasses, churchyard huddled, parochial.
Nah…Godolphin. Anyday.
What channel?
I can’t understand people’s dislike toward Coolmore. They are a business,and the best stud in the world in all probability, consistently producing the best horses year in year out. I suppose success breeds contempt,though.
All the figures for following big stables shows is that backing them blind is a potent weapon in the mug punter’s quest to donate their money to bookmakers.
The biggest problem that the Godolphin operation has is the development of their horses from 2 to 3. They do not seem able to prepare a runner for the 2000 Guineas or the Derby, despite having plenty of potential candidates going into the winter. Royal Ascot seems the earliest they are able to get their horses ready to compete. They have not really filled the void that David Loder left.
Agree with this – when is the last time Godolphon had a colt placed in either the 2000G or the Derby? Is the answer to both questions Dubawi?
Rewilding was third in the Derby behind Workforce. not sure about the Guineas question
Rewilding did remarkably well to finish 3rd because he needed plenty of time between his races as a 3yo. In hindsight, he should have missed Epsom and run at the Curragh.
Godolphin also have many horses who only seem to race once or twice a year. Maybe no more than three or four runs between their debut and running as a 4 year old in a minor pattern race.
All the figures for following big stables shows is that backing them blind is a potent weapon in the mug punter’s quest to donate their money to bookmakers.
The biggest problem that the Godolphin operation has is the development of their horses from 2 to 3. They do not seem able to prepare a runner for the 2000 Guineas or the Derby, despite having plenty of potential candidates going into the winter. Royal Ascot seems the earliest they are able to get their horses ready to compete. They have not really filled the void that David Loder left.
Agree with this – when is the last time Godolphon had a colt placed in either the 2000G or the Derby? Is the answer to both questions Dubawi?
Rewilding was third in the Derby behind Workforce. not sure about the Guineas question
Ah yes. Can’t remember one since Dubawi. Think Shamardal would have won that year mind you.
Snow Ridge was 2nd to Haafhd in 2004. Dubawi was only 5th. Shamardal won the Poulains and the Jockey Club in 2005.
Snow Ridge was 2nd to Haafhd in 2004. Dubawi was only 5th. Shamardal won the Poulains and the Jockey Club in 2005.
Yes, my point was meant to mean that i think Shamardal would have won the Guineas that year had he been aimed at the race. I remember being convinced he couldn’t win the SJP on the firm ground at Ascot. Wrong! Shame he got injured, think he’d have mopped up a few more Group 1’s that season.
My mind has played tricks on me regarding Dubawi – could have sworn he was 3rd in both.
What channel?
I can’t understand people’s dislike toward Coolmore. They are a business,and the best stud in the world in all probability, consistently producing the best horses year in year out. I suppose success breeds contempt,though.Oh theres no contempt, Black Sam, I didn’t even introduce Ballydoyle into the thread. In my 33 years or so of incurable sports fanaticism, I don’t recall any sporting person/animal I ever held in contempt. Perhaps that’s the enduring appeal of sport for me, its above contempt. Its the escape into something more glorious and sharing those glorious stories, opinions and experiences with kindred spirits.
For all there is to admire about how Coolmore make money and run their bloodstock business, for reasons best known to themselves they choose not to share their sporting stories, opinions and experiences in a meaningful way with the rest of us. And I’ve never understood that.
Dark glasses on a grey day
Dubai Racing Channel by the way.
Godolphin also have many horses who only seem to race once or twice a year. Maybe no more than three or four runs between their debut and running as a 4 year old in a minor pattern race.
Swedish Sailor seems to be a prime example
The one thing to admire about Coolmore is the horses they breed.For all the money that Godolfin spend,buying out entire empires of studs both in Australia and in the USA their failure to dominate the breed after such lavish spending is a mystery to me.Coolmore have spent so much less and gotten so much more for their money.Coolmore incidentally started at the bottom and worked to the top, unlike Godolfin.
What channel?
I can’t understand people’s dislike toward Coolmore. They are a business,and the best stud in the world in all probability, consistently producing the best horses year in year out. I suppose success breeds contempt,though.Oh theres no contempt, Black Sam, I didn’t even introduce Ballydoyle into the thread. In my 33 years or so of incurable sports fanaticism, I don’t recall any sporting person/animal I ever held in contempt. Perhaps that’s the enduring appeal of sport for me, its above contempt. Its the escape into something more glorious and sharing those glorious stories, opinions and experiences with kindred spirits.
For all there is to admire about how Coolmore make money and run their bloodstock business, for reasons best known to themselves they choose not to share their sporting stories, opinions and experiences in a meaningful way with the rest of us. And I’ve never understood that.
Dark glasses on a grey day
Dubai Racing Channel by the way.
Sorry Cavelino I didn’t specifically mean that to be aimed at you, but on plenty of forums and even on the Racing Post or there Facebook page the amount of Ballydoyle bashing is astounding.
Not trying to be funny, but is that racing channel on a digital service or what? I never came across it
Godolphin also have many horses who only seem to race once or twice a year. Maybe no more than three or four runs between their debut and running as a 4 year old in a minor pattern race.
Swedish Sailor seems to be a prime example
Yes. Nicely bred, impressive maiden winner then…zip.
Asraab – once at 2, once at 3, twice as a 4yr old.
FarrhAnd they have some impressive debut performances from horses that, for one reason or another, don’t progress. Bull Run for Loder ?
Seem to remember one of their 8 figure purchases running in a Yarmouth maiden a few years ago and being turned over.
Sorry Cavelino I didn’t specifically mean that to be aimed at you, but on plenty of forums and even on the Racing Post or there Facebook page the amount of Ballydoyle bashing is astounding.
Not trying to be funny, but is that racing channel on a digital service or what? I never came across it
No worries. Ireland is the world capital of begrudgery so its no surprise they get plenty of stick. I reckon McManus is probably the only successful Irish person
ever
that seems to be universally liked, granted Coolmore don’t help themselves too much in this regard with their approach to PR imo. Admire them for their success, just wish they’d share it with the rest of us some more.
Dubai Racing Channel as far as I know is only available on ArabSat or NileSat, so you’d probably need to be living in the Middle East to watch it. Superb live racing coverage, makes the ex-pat life so much easier for racing fans like myself.
I believe that there is a chap who is deeply involved with Sunderland Football who is dearly loved by the people of Sunderland.I think Neil Quinn is his name.Now if he is as highly regarded as McManus I don’t know.Also the manager at Sunderland is very highly regarded. His name is often brought up for the Enghlish manager job.Most of the Irish golfers are held in high esteem.Tony McCoy is regarded highly also; shall I continue….? As for Coolmore ,they are a private operation and as such are not in the business of crowd pleasing.You would need to speak to thosen who do business with them to find out whether they are regarded as fair and reasonable people.
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