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Hi ho

Douginho

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An interesting post with a couple of valid points.

a) this is ALL about improvement with regard to selecting horses and my guess is most of us here fall into the

crap

section otherwise we would be sitting on an exotic beach and it sure would not be Blackpool or Margate.

b) I am sure each way bets really must be the answer whilst waiting the big one which will provide those small returns to encourage us along the way. 4/1 sounds about right in handicaps returning 1/4 and 5/1 otherwise is a good rule to adopt.

Artemis

I had my first (paper) attempt to use your suggestions and not to be discounted it showed some promise. Excuse me when I say that because I do believe with all these suggestions they mostly have to be slightly adapted to fit within your own individual MO. I had far too many possibles, even though it was half way through the days racing but did manage to get down to four and ended up with 2 good places at 7/1 & 13/2 which again strengthens the argument put forward by

Douginho

.

The next time I give it another go I will perhaps select a) handicaps only or smaller fields. b)look towards the shorter end of the prices i.e. 5/1 – 8/1. Implementing these measures I hope will reduce any selections to my maximum of 4 or 5.

Formath

, two may have been short prices but again 3 winners, well done.

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Just one more reply

Kauto

which may help.

A huge amount depends upon the style of betting etc. of which you are comfortable and any suggestion can only point you in a direction but it may not be your final destination.

Have a look at the MULTIPLES how to, thread.

We can all learn and I have found several ideas here and am currently trying out two of them.

Formath

has suggested an oldie THE ROLLING YANKEE which may suit your bank etc.

The other which paid huge dividends for me the other day with a 169/1 double is suggested by

Mulls74

which works from the Daily Mail. Let me confess I have never before had a pay out anywhere near 169/1 and they do not come along every day but only yesterday I was won a small amount with 3 placed doubles.

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Rolling Yankee

for Sunday

Today’s selection Formath looks to be one I will swerve and save for Monday.

PRESS THE BUTTON at Huntingdon looks far too short for me at the early prices.

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Kauto

I have been looking up some old systems in order to try and help you.

If you take the Racing Post this will help however I am not sure if you can get all the required info via the new site these days.

Flat season between the Grand National until end of October.

Jumps season from November until Grand National.

Exclude Chases and AW meetings.

Top Speed, RPR, PostData & Spotlight must all agree on one selection and it must also be tipped by one of the training centres within Racing Post.

I have never tried this one out so it should be paper traded for a period to see if it works.

All the logic is there however I am not sure if there will be enough selections to meet your criteria and if the prices will be good enough to make it a betting starter.

If I can find any others which may give you some ideas I will post them in due course.

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Hey

Formath

any one who can score 3 at Newmarket is a winner in my book I think HQ is just about one of the hardest places to find winners.

How did they fit into the perm?

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Good afternoon Kauto,

If only!

After many years of searching for a system which is A) simple & B) crosses over from Flat to Jumps and then back again and works cosistanly 52 weeks a year I have serious doubt if it is out there.

My major conclusion is there systems that work but for me they look only to "bring home the bacon" during the peak of each season and during such periods as we now find ouselves, the flat coming towards its end and the jumps not yet started are danger times for systems.

I am not a fan of the woman but suggest you view Maria’s 4*/5* 40+ system on the Massy forum. The logic is sound and based on many years of Massey’s ratings it should not be discarded, she also is starting a revised version I think December 1 to provide more selections but more is not always better. She has been suffering of late with poor results but again perhaps it could be that time of the year. It starts with a low bank as suits you but in the short tem may not make £5 a day but over the longer period could do well. She has as many fans as critics but again her staking logic is 2.5% of the bank as it goes either up or down and 2.5% of your £200 provides one bet a day at £5 which fits quite nicely.

I think her revised system will be to allow lower star value with increased point differential, I tried this and it did not work for me. I have worked 50+ points diff. which misses some winnners and a lot of losers but there really not enough selections to keep my interest.

Nevertheless it is not a bad start to begin with and put in your armoury.

To gain full access to all Massey’s ratings you are blackmailed into contributing to his charity and for small players such as we are it is not cost effective and therefore you have to wait for the lady to post selections late morning by which time some of the value may have dissapeared.

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Thanks for that snippet

Pompete

, I had not decided to go that route but all info is wisdom. Today I have 4 selections but remain faithful to my 6 x ew doubles only.

Today’s Banker

whilst we are on the subject of Mail & Sun tipsters I will mention I have intermittently followed the naps of Templegate & Tom Pepper when they both select the same horse for their daily nap, which has happend today plus it is also backed up by the in form Captain Heath: –

GHANAATI 3.00 NEWMARKET

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Best Odds Update

Just been on ODDS CHECKER and noticed Ladbrokes – Coral – Tote Sport are now offering Best Odds.

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Artemis

, after much Gooooogling I have found BetFred is the triple bonus bookie with whom I do not have an account because Best Odds are not offered but then again I guess it is too much to ask for a triple bonus plus Best Odds. Do you know of any othere?

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‘morning All,

A couple of questions for the experts: –

Artemis

, you mention the Lucky 15 is available some places with a triple bonus for a single winner, which also as you say does make the bet attractive. I have run through the web sites of those with which I hold small accounts and can find no mention of such a promotion. Is this only available at the shops/offices and if so do you know which ones?

Formath

, simply out of complete curiosity I must ask you, how do you write out the betting slip for the SENSIBLE PERM? I would think this must be impossible to enter on line or can you tell me otherwise?

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Best early price I could get

Formath

about SERVINO was 10/1 with Ladbrokes

but not best odds guaranteed

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No worries

Formath

our selection SPINNING came second at 5/1 but we are still playing with their money tomorrow

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The sensible Perm

I used to have the multiplication for such perms but am afraid it is long gone with the sands of time.

Formath

you have 20 selections, what are you doing with them? are you perming doubles – trebles – Fourfolds – onwards and upwards to the through the card accumulator?

And then dare I ask – to what stakes?

Beypond 5 and my brain goes into meltdown.

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A question to the

thousands

of readers of this thread. If you were to bring about a selection of tipsters to be included in the

Rolling Yankee

, who would they be?

For me, I think my choice would be: –

Goodfellow – Gimcrack – Tom Pepper – Pegasus (plus the Captain if 5 were permissible).

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Good afternoon

Formath

The perm is going well with 4 winners at this time, you will be starting a trend and we will all become Multiple specialists.

I am back in the land of a fast connection which is a huge relief and so I need not rush things.

The Rolling Yankee

I got on Spinning very early this morning at 11/2 and have just noticed it down as low as 4/1 with ToteSport. . .

Happy Days!

What I wanted to bring to your attention (if you did not already know) is Captain Heath landed 4/1 Azwaan (which I am sure you are not too happy about) at Newmarket today and is 3 on the bounce (my records only). I have always liked this tipster whoever he may be and have decided to keep his performance at hand whilst watching Goodfellow, Gimcrack & Formcast Special.

Which brings me, long windedly, to my question which is, have you ever featured The Captain within this bet?

I have also been following The Sun’s four, Templegate, Tom Pepper, Sun Ratings and Pegasus, again I have always like both Pegasus and Tom Pepper who both have featured over the past 3 days whilst Templegate & Sun Ratings are looking quite dire.

Which I guess then creates an additional question of the possibilty of an amalgam of favourite tipsters, do you think this could generate problems should they all be

HOT?

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‘morning

Artemis

,

I once was told the majority of contributions to racing forums are 90% rubbish and I sometimes think the questions I ask will only increase that number.

Thanks for your answer and apologise for my "thickness"

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The Rolling Yankee

Sorry about that

Formath

I forgot to mention it due to my incoherent ramblings.

Sure it failed today whilst the others happily emptied the bookies satchels, as they say "that’s life" and I have never expected to win every day and let’s not forget we are playing with their money again tomorrow.

I tried the

lowest priced favourite

as well today . . .

it lost!

but I will try again tomorrow and will experiment with a small recovery staking plan and see what happens.

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