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The Champion would be the more appropriate swansong for Camelot; I can’t see him winning the Arc after the rigours of the Leger and the Champion would give him the time to get over it.
It’s the right thing to do. Come on Coolmore.
Frankel was awesome on Saturday, probably the best miler ever.
BUT to be a great horse you have to win the GREAT races. The Derby, the King George, The Arc, the American Triple Crown.
He has nothing left to prove at a mile and should be moved up in trip right now.What defines a race is the quality of horses running in it, not the it’s previous history. The King George certanly isn’t competitive every year whilst the Derby has good renewals and bad renewals.
The idea that Frankel cannot be considered an all time great because he isn’t as versatile, or tried over a variety of trips is absolute nonsense. Unless we also think Usain Bolt and Bekele are of course not all time greats?
Talents are not ranked on versality. They are ranked on peak ability, and the performances they produce within the competition/field they run against. Frankel has proven he’s one of the bets milers we’ve ever seen. Thus surely, he is one of the best horses we have ever seen?
Sea the Stars has nowehere near the calibre of form Frankel has shown. Of course peoplewill trot out the versatility argument ; an argument that is fundamentally flawed
Bolt and Bekele have won world championships at two separate distances and both currently hold the World records at those distances. Michael Johnson & Carl Lewis won at different distances and in Lewis’ case he held world records in Long Jump, which is a completely different discipline.
Maybe Ed Moses would be a more appropriate analogy?
They threw every dart they had at Sea The Stars and I expect that if they can meet Frankel over 10f they’ll have a go.
Which would add more to his stud value, winning the IrishDerby/KG/Leger or being the horse that toppled the mighty Frankel? Winning the three aforementioned races will probably be much easier but that’s not their style in recent years. That’s my take anyway.
NB – I purposely left the Arc out because I think they would value winning that just as much.
Frankel, for the record, has Canford Cliffs among his scalps (and Nathaniel on his debut) but, when you look at the list of horses he’s beaten it still looks a bit light to me
However – he has dealt with whatever has been put in front of him them in no uncertain terms.I’ll be really interested if they decide to take him on with French Fifteen at some point (given it’s unlikely that Camelot will take him on).
Surprised by that last comment. If Camelot wins the Derby they will be desperate to take Frankel on over 10f I reckon.
This is true Gord…. The two are clearly not linked….
How’s the Antepost King faring?
So long as I back the odd winner I’m happy Aragorn!
Mind you I wouldn’t want you to be my accountant eh!
RememberEvens and Odds
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Can’t say I do but i’m sure you’ll remind me!!
This is true Gord…. The two are clearly not linked….
How’s the Antepost King faring?
Is the dismal lack of post race analysis here a reflection of the race or a reflection of the way this forum has gone?
Wall Street won a group 1 handicap over a mile at Flemington, Australia, in November 2010.
Another open year in the Kentucky Derby without any stand out colts. America could do with a outstanding winner.
Ricky, my point was that A/W represents just as good a betting medium if you’re serious about form study for the reasons I outlined above. If you prefer to bet on better class racing the fair enough but I don’t think it necessarily means its a better betting medium.
Surely the eccentric nature of uk course configurations and the need to constantly move rails makes the logistics of installing the technology difficult, as well as calling the accuracy of the data into question?
It would be simple(r) on the AW though.
Ascot’s marketing team probably made the decision based on the potential audience on ATR which is clearly bigger than the RUK subscriber base.
On the general point, I know of people who make lots of money on the all weather. Stable consistent surfaces, less changes in track config (3 tracks) and the same pool of horses make it about the easiest form to get a handle on, non?
Dettori will never ride for Ballydoyle. He doesn’t need to….. He’s earned his money already.
However – he has dealt with whatever has been put in front of him them in no uncertain terms.
