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  • #260736
    Avatar photoHard Held
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    Don’t know why you’re being so shirty – you’re perfectly entitled to think Punjabi is a better horse than Binocular just as I am entitled to think the opposite. As it happens I’m not even a Binocular ‘fan’ as such – I laid him in the CH and I am firmly in the Solwhit camp for the CH this season.

    #260741
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    Not being surly! I didn’t back Punjabi but it is verging on the ridiculous, imo, that people are proclaiming Binocular the best in the business. He quite plainly is not. It’s just a trait I have to correct the view that Binocular was somehow the "moral" winner of the Champion, just because he did what he did at Ascot. In the same sense I suppose Kasbah Bliss is still the best stating hurdler around, oh no, he always got beaten up around Cheltenham too :wink:

    Just a strong view, nothing else, but looking forward to this clash. Being the best horse around Binocular should win this comfortably…

    #260781
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    Solwhit must a fighting chance. :P

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #260785
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    The fact remains that on a flat track binocular has never been beaten on any ground, Punjabi has been beaten several times. If there was a "moral winner" of the Champ Hurdle it would be Celestial Halo, as he led the whole way and was only collared in the last strides.

    Only on bottomless ground can Solwhit have any chance of beating binocular, much in the same way as only on bottomless ground can he have any chance of [placing in the champ hurdle. I do like solwhit, but he is a mudlover, pure and simple.

    #260791
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    Didn’t see too much mud at aintree :shock:

    #260793
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    Re-check the formbook regarding Solwhit Bulwark, your "mudlover" statement is not right at all.

    #260847
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    People seem to forget that Aintree well over watered this year, and by my recollection Solwhit won on the first day when it was at its worst.

    FWIW his form of wins (aintree aside) reads is like a long list of softs and heavys right back as far as his early days in low grade. I backed him against Hurricane Fly in the mud and he won. We shall see how he fairs against binocular on a better surface, but I think people are getting carried away, binocular will have to be way below par to get beat tomorrow I say.

    But I reckon the question is not whether he can beat binocular on a better surface, more if he can beat the likes of sublimity etc on a better surface…

    #260849
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    People seem to forget that Aintree well over watered this year, and by my recollection Solwhit won on the first day when it was at its worst.

    He won on the Saturday – the third day

    #260851
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    Like I say- by my recollection, but the upshot is that people can read it whatever way they so wish and hope it pays, because thats the name of the game. We’ll probably know better by the end of tomorrow, but people may just choose to believe he just ran below par if he flops, and if that works for them then fair play.

    #260870
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    I can’t believe i am going to play Solwhit tomoro….i have laid the horse a few times to my misfortune.

    Solwhit it is to dig me out of the red under his name

    #260874
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    Does anyone give SUBLIMITY a chance?

    There does not look much pace on in the race tomorrow and it could turn into a bit of a sprint. 12-1+ looks generous. Not tipping the boy just floating out an idea….

    #260883
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    I think he looks like a decent option Ben but its far too hard to beat Binocular on a track like this as he just has so much speed.

    Personally, at 50-1 I’ll have a wee go on Won in the dark e/w just on the offchance that Al Eile can inject some pace in the race as WITD handles this ground and travels very well on it.

    #260884
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    WITD is very overpriced at 50’s.

    No pace can produce strange or unexpected results….

    Binocular is ‘probably’ the best horse in the race (on ratings he IS the best horse) but there are some tasty prices floating around….

    #260893
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    Yes the more I look at it the more I think Sublimity has to be the play at 12/1. He has loads of speec and if it turns into a 4f sprint then it could well be him that quickens up best

    #260900
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    Found it difficult to separate their chances but just Solwhit (11/8) over Binocular (6/4) for me.

    In my view Solwhit has the strongest bit of form on offer: the big field Aintree Hurdle which produced several nto winners, and he’s yet to be asked for his all in G1 company

    Binocular was impressive in beating small fields of reliable G1/2 performers but was found wanting in the hustle and bustle of the Champion (I pay no heed to the ‘held up in his work’ excuses of connections)

    On the plus side Binocular is an altogether more imposing specimen physically than Solwhit and with them both being just 5 rising 6 the former may have developed more ‘natural ability’ since last seen, and as the ability then was pretty damn good now it could be v v g

    On balance though until Solwhit has been a) tested to the full b) beaten in top company I’m more than happy to bet him at odds-against let alone near 2/1

    I enjoy playing one top-flight hurdler at shortish odds each year in order to pay the utilities/follow off a cliff and hopefully Solwhit will become an adequate replacement for the beloved Inglis Drever

    A fine race it will be. Enjoy

    #260903
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    Hello,

    I think SUBLIMITY has every chance.. :)

    My only concern is not the opposition, but the ground.. :?

    regards,

    doyley

    #260904
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    Pet hate of mine is people calling horses like Won In The Dark WITD. Aarrgh!! Please people STOP IT!! :evil:

    (Rant over). :wink:

    Two horse race surely? With the form Hendersons in Binocular to beat Solwhit.

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