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I’m still happy to back Landofhopeandlory for this at 20/1 NRNB. When running on good ground earlier this season he looked like the most likely Triumph winner and his price now is inflated on the back of two disappointing runs on very bad going. I remember Ivanovich Gorbatov arriving with similar form and strictly through Bapaume form he has the beating of Mega Fortune.
NJH Blogg:
I’m also delighted that CHARLI PARCS has suffered no ill effects from his Kempton fall and he had a nice pop around the indoor school on Wednesday with Yogi Breisner just to see how he was and you would certainly say he looked particularly untroubled by what happened. We still haven’t made a decision about which race he will run in at Cheltenham because there are two issues, mainly on what the weather will be doing. I would imagine that DEFI DU SEUL and CHARLI PARCS would not take each other on, one would go for the Supreme and the other the Triumph, but who will go where, at this stage, I just don’t know. The advantage of Charli running in the Triumph would be that if the Festival started on slow ground earlier in the week, it might have dried out by Thursday in which case it’s worth him waiting for the better ground as we know that Philip Hobbs’s horse goes on the soft and it also gives us a bit more time after Kempton which will virtually be three weeks and while it’s only a few days, it counts for plenty. I’ll keep you posted on this one!Surely Hobbs won’t let Defi go to the Supreme?
I should of cashed out.
NJH Blogg:
I’m also delighted that CHARLI PARCS has suffered no ill effects from his Kempton fall and he had a nice pop around the indoor school on Wednesday with Yogi Breisner just to see how he was and you would certainly say he looked particularly untroubled by what happened. We still haven’t made a decision about which race he will run in at Cheltenham because there are two issues, mainly on what the weather will be doing. I would imagine that DEFI DU SEUL and CHARLI PARCS would not take each other on, one would go for the Supreme and the other the Triumph, but who will go where, at this stage, I just don’t know. The advantage of Charli running in the Triumph would be that if the Festival started on slow ground earlier in the week, it might have dried out by Thursday in which case it’s worth him waiting for the better ground as we know that Philip Hobbs’s horse goes on the soft and it also gives us a bit more time after Kempton which will virtually be three weeks and while it’s only a few days, it counts for plenty. I’ll keep you posted on this one!Surely Hobbs won’t let Defi go to the Supreme?
Unfortunately, Henderson has produced a whole bag of nonsense in respect of Charli Parcs. His assessment of the Kempton performance made Dave Yates appear almost sane. He appears to be constantly trying to apply pressure to switch a short priced favourite from the Triumph to the Supreme. It doesn’t do him any credit and of course it would be a massive kick in the teeth to many ante-post punters. Hobbs has always stated that he wants Defi Du Seuil to go Triumph and he isn’t particularly bothered about the possibility of quicker ground. Sorry Nicky, but it is your horse that has blown out so you are the one who should be picking up the crumbs.
I am not sure about the Racing Post Ratings for the Adonis. They have Charlie Parcs running to within one pound of his previous run when he came to grief in the Adonis.
How can a horse who more or less won on the bit in the first race, have the kitchen sink thrown at him from a long way out the second time, and yet have recorded the same performance level, facing a winning opponent whom he had more or less farted out of his way with contempt on the previous occasion?
Alan King felt that he didn’t have a Triumph Horse and now suddenly seems to have one in Master Blueyes. I remain sceptical.
We saw last year how Beltor was deemed by his trainer to be skipping the Triumph for Aintree and then got roped in by the media frenzy, particularly Mick Fitzgerald leaving the box to back the doomed Beltor Barge for the Triumph.
Good luck but I have a bad feeling about this one and trainers are usually pretty good at assessing the potential of their charges.
For me The Supreme is a better prize to win, the Triumph has had some disappointing winners over the years. It seems odd to me that JP would double enter all seven of his Triumph entries in the Supreme and then not run his best chance in one and the next best in the other.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
NJH Blogg:
I’m also delighted that CHARLI PARCS has suffered no ill effects from his Kempton fall and he had a nice pop around the indoor school on Wednesday with Yogi Breisner just to see how he was and you would certainly say he looked particularly untroubled by what happened. We still haven’t made a decision about which race he will run in at Cheltenham because there are two issues, mainly on what the weather will be doing. I would imagine that DEFI DU SEUL and CHARLI PARCS would not take each other on, one would go for the Supreme and the other the Triumph, but who will go where, at this stage, I just don’t know. The advantage of Charli running in the Triumph would be that if the Festival started on slow ground earlier in the week, it might have dried out by Thursday in which case it’s worth him waiting for the better ground as we know that Philip Hobbs’s horse goes on the soft and it also gives us a bit more time after Kempton which will virtually be three weeks and while it’s only a few days, it counts for plenty. I’ll keep you posted on this one!Surely Hobbs won’t let Defi go to the Supreme?
Unfortunately, Henderson has produced a whole bag of nonsense in respect of Charli Parcs. His assessment of the Kempton performance made Dave Yates appear almost sane. He appears to be constantly trying to apply pressure to switch a short priced favourite from the Triumph to the Supreme. It doesn’t do him any credit and of course it would be a massive kick in the teeth to many ante-post punters. Hobbs has always stated that he wants Defi Du Seuil to go Triumph and he isn’t particularly bothered about the possibility of quicker ground. Sorry Nicky, but it is your horse that has blown out so you are the one who should be picking up the crumbs.
As far as I can see Stilvi, all Henderson is saying is Charli’s best form is on good ground and he regards him unlikely to be as good on soft. Hobbs might believe Defi will go on good, but at the moment his best is on soft. Therefore, IF on the Monday before Cheltenham – the weather forecst suggests the Triumph will be run on a significantly sounder surface than the Supreme – it makes sense to swap them over.
Of course, if the two races look like being run on either similar ground or Supreme looks like a sounder surface than Triumph… then Charli will run in the Supreme and Defi Triumph.
To my mind it’s good Henderson is warning prospective exchange punters of the situation.
If Defi did end up in the Supreme wouldn’t punters be saying “why weren’t we warned”.I don’t see any controversy
Value Is EverythingNJH Blogg:
I’m also delighted that CHARLI PARCS has suffered no ill effects from his Kempton fall and he had a nice pop around the indoor school on Wednesday with Yogi Breisner just to see how he was and you would certainly say he looked particularly untroubled by what happened. We still haven’t made a decision about which race he will run in at Cheltenham because there are two issues, mainly on what the weather will be doing. I would imagine that DEFI DU SEUL and CHARLI PARCS would not take each other on, one would go for the Supreme and the other the Triumph, but who will go where, at this stage, I just don’t know. The advantage of Charli running in the Triumph would be that if the Festival started on slow ground earlier in the week, it might have dried out by Thursday in which case it’s worth him waiting for the better ground as we know that Philip Hobbs’s horse goes on the soft and it also gives us a bit more time after Kempton which will virtually be three weeks and while it’s only a few days, it counts for plenty. I’ll keep you posted on this one!Surely Hobbs won’t let Defi go to the Supreme?
Unfortunately, Henderson has produced a whole bag of nonsense in respect of Charli Parcs. His assessment of the Kempton performance made Dave Yates appear almost sane. He appears to be constantly trying to apply pressure to switch a short priced favourite from the Triumph to the Supreme. It doesn’t do him any credit and of course it would be a massive kick in the teeth to many ante-post punters. Hobbs has always stated that he wants Defi Du Seuil to go Triumph and he isn’t particularly bothered about the possibility of quicker ground. Sorry Nicky, but it is your horse that has blown out so you are the one who should be picking up the crumbs.
As far as I can see Stilvi, all Henderson is saying is Charli’s best form is on good ground and he regards him unlikely to be as good on soft. Hobbs might believe Defi will go on good, but at the moment his best is on soft. Therefore, IF on the Monday before Cheltenham – the weather forecst suggests the Triumph will be run on a significantly sounder surface than the Supreme – it makes sense to swap them over.
Of course, if the two races look like being run on either similar ground or Supreme looks like a sounder surface than Triumph… then Charli will run in the Supreme and Defi Triumph.
To my mind it’s good Henderson is warning prospective exchange punters of the situation.
If Defi did end up in the Supreme wouldn’t punters be saying “why weren’t we warned”.I don’t see any controversy
And all I am saying his comments ‘made up five lengths and travelling like a bullet when he came down’ were ridiculous and if I was the owner and the trainer had produced the perfect season he would have first pick as to where to go. There is no indication that any switch is going to happen.
It isn’t about misleading punters, Henderson has been banging the ground drum for several weeks. That has all been about trying to influence a decision. More punters are (in my opinion rightly) going to feel screwed if the switch did happen than helped by Henderson’s comments. As I have said before Charli Parcs has gone backwards from his previous run and that sort of fall is poor preparation for an even stiffer test. I would have thought giving him a little more time and finding an easier task might be a better option but having added plenty to hype Henderson appears intent on playing the stubborn card. The only outcome I can see is both of them running in the Triumph.
I havent backed either horse.
But I wouldn’t listen to Henderson comments in his column. As he changed his mind by the time he got to the preview last night.
Saying he can’t see defi going supreme so he would assume they are probably both going triumph.The only other thing of note was Willie twisting Davies riding Ballyandy in the supreme
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
It’s a good thing Elliott and Nicholls are not on this forum. Journalists, sorry Dave Yates, have been ripped to pieces for less.
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
Agree. Hugely talented horse and would have won
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
It’s a good thing Elliott and Nicholls are not on this forum. Journalists, sorry Dave Yates, have been ripped to pieces for less.
I know it’s a laughable thing to say, I even delayed before clicking submit but honestly I think this horse is just streets ahead of anything else. I think he’s a 6/4 shot posing as a 10/1 shot. Just need him to run!
He will be lucky to finish 5th if he runs like he did last time.
Tired fall, well beaten.
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
It’s a good thing Elliott and Nicholls are not on this forum. Journalists, sorry Dave Yates, have been ripped to pieces for less.
I know it’s a laughable thing to say, I even delayed before clicking submit but honestly I think this horse is just streets ahead of anything else. I think he’s a 6/4 shot posing as a 10/1 shot. Just need him to run!
It is a laughable thing to say. Obviously the bit where he was being rowed along, jumped poorly and took a crashing fall passed you by
I think Charli Parcs falls into the “hype horse” category. I just wonder if others will be joining him over the festival; anyway I can’t see him winning (or even placing)
I think the one here for value is Baupame
The owner said last time the tougher course would suit it as it’s a relentless galloper
He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
It’s a good thing Elliott and Nicholls are not on this forum. Journalists, sorry Dave Yates, have been ripped to pieces for less.
I know it’s a laughable thing to say, I even delayed before clicking submit but honestly I think this horse is just streets ahead of anything else. I think he’s a 6/4 shot posing as a 10/1 shot. Just need him to run!
It is a laughable thing to say. Obviously the bit where he was being rowed along, jumped poorly and took a crashing fall passed you by
I think Charli Parcs falls into the “hype horse” category. I just wonder if others will be joining him over the festival; anyway I can’t see him winning (or even placing)
Obviously you missed the bit where he came back on the bridle and went alongside the winner, who he beat by 7L last time out over CD giving 5lbs.
Here’s a question for you.
Who is that?
I think the one here for value is Baupame
The owner said last time the tougher course would suit it as it’s a relentless galloper
LOL that’s code for ‘slow’ ;)
“The owner said”
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