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He runs in the Triumph and wins. 10/1 NRNB at Hills. Lap it up. If he hadn’t fallen LTO he’d have won and been cut to 3s within days.
It’s a good thing Elliott and Nicholls are not on this forum. Journalists, sorry Dave Yates, have been ripped to pieces for less.
I know it’s a laughable thing to say, I even delayed before clicking submit but honestly I think this horse is just streets ahead of anything else. I think he’s a 6/4 shot posing as a 10/1 shot. Just need him to run!
It is a laughable thing to say. Obviously the bit where he was being rowed along, jumped poorly and took a crashing fall passed you by
I think Charli Parcs falls into the “hype horse” category. I just wonder if others will be joining him over the festival; anyway I can’t see him winning (or even placing)
Obviously you missed the bit where he came back on the bridle and went alongside the winner, who he beat by 7L last time out over CD giving 5lbs.
Here’s a question for you.
Who is that?
CP- not fluent,chased, ridden, whipped, under pressure,steadied, fell.
MBE – smooth progress,shaken,bounded away
At what point is there any confidence in that race that he could have gotten near MBE
He CLEARLY regressed from the previous time they met….. or MBE improved, id assume a mix of both.
Master Blueyes has raced 15 times. He was rated 84 on the flat and was slowly improving without winning. He’s out of a bad handicapper, whose own dam has produced very ordinary 7x-rated horses and was unraced herself. He had been beaten 18L by Cliffs of Dover (getting weight), 8L by Charli Parcs (getting weight) and a neck by Divin Bere (getting weight). He then wins a handicap by 18L and only goes up 1lb for it. RPRs of 114, 120, 123 and 123. And then magically he turns into a RPR141 god who’s a new-and-improved horse and over a stone better than 2 months ago?
LOL don’t take me for an idiot
Charli Parcs bolts up if he runs, simple as that buddy
And then magically he turns into a RPR141 god who’s a new-and-improved horse and over a stone better than 2 months ago?
LOL don’t take me for an idiot
Charli Parcs bolts up if he runs, simple as that buddy[/quote
I remember last year Black Hercules fell in race before winning at Cheltenham. Hopefully Charli will do the same, needs good ground though. Henderson always talked about him as a triumph horse, if it’s true that there is not much between B D’air and Charli Parcs, the latter one is most likely winner of this race.
Master Blueyes has raced 15 times. He was rated 84 on the flat and was slowly improving without winning. He’s out of a bad handicapper, whose own dam has produced very ordinary 7x-rated horses and was unraced herself. He had been beaten 18L by Cliffs of Dover (getting weight), 8L by Charli Parcs (getting weight) and a neck by Divin Bere (getting weight). He then wins a handicap by 18L and only goes up 1lb for it. RPRs of 114, 120, 123 and 123. And then magically he turns into a RPR141 god who’s a new-and-improved horse and over a stone better than 2 months ago?
LOL don’t take me for an idiot
Charli Parcs bolts up if he runs, simple as that buddy
Totally irrelevant to what the point of the comment was, who MBE is out of is irrelevant, his results on the flat are irrelevant, the fact that he won the race was irrelevant also,
the only thing that matters in all of this is
CP was not fluent, he was ridden along, was whipped, got tired and fell
How you assess that is yours to decide, but like youv just stated yourself with MBE, CP will have to “Magically” be a 150+ horse from a 140+ horse within the space of a few weeks if hes to beat defi du seuil that is…. god lets hope that Defi du seuil hasnt improved by anything or CP is going to have to improve by as much as MBE did to “bolt up”
good luck buddy
If it runs, it won’t bolt up. Unless you include getting spanked as “bolting up”
And anyway it probably won’t run.
Master Blueyes has raced 15 times. He was rated 84 on the flat and was slowly improving without winning. He’s out of a bad handicapper, whose own dam has produced very ordinary 7x-rated horses and was unraced herself. He had been beaten 18L by Cliffs of Dover (getting weight), 8L by Charli Parcs (getting weight) and a neck by Divin Bere (getting weight). He then wins a handicap by 18L and only goes up 1lb for it. RPRs of 114, 120, 123 and 123. And then magically he turns into a RPR141 god who’s a new-and-improved horse and over a stone better than 2 months ago?
LOL don’t take me for an idiot
Charli Parcs bolts up if he runs, simple as that buddy
Totally irrelevant to what the point of the comment was, who MBE is out of is irrelevant, his results on the flat are irrelevant, the fact that he won the race was irrelevant also,
the only thing that matters in all of this is
CP was not fluent, he was ridden along, was whipped, got tired and fell
How you assess that is yours to decide, but like youv just stated yourself with MBE, CP will have to “Magically” be a 150+ horse from a 140+ horse within the space of a few weeks if hes to beat defi du seuil that is…. god lets hope that Defi du seuil hasnt improved by anything or CP is going to have to improve by as much as MBE did to “bolt up”
good luck buddy
1 – you’re simple if you can’t understand my argument
2 – LOL
Charli Parcs seems to be turning into the “Marmite” horse of the festival. For
what it’s worth, I’m siding with the “love him” camp. As I commented on the
Supreme thread, after his Adonis run, I thought that he didn’t settle and
gave Barry Geraghty a bit of a time cajoling him along, but when he eventually
saw daylight I think that he was picking up really well just before he came
down. I don’t think it was a tired fall, and as I said then, IMO he would
have run on well and based on his previous run against the winner I see no
reason why he wouldn’t have won.The good thing about this, is that it will all be resolved in just over a weeks
time. I still think he is a class horse, and whilst there’s doubt about which
race he will appear in I’ve backed him NRNB at 14s in the Supreme and 10s in
the Triumph. Whether I’m going to be a clever cloggs, or a complete numpty,
time will tell
Master Blueyes has raced 15 times. He was rated 84 on the flat and was slowly improving without winning. He’s out of a bad handicapper, whose own dam has produced very ordinary 7x-rated horses and was unraced herself. He had been beaten 18L by Cliffs of Dover (getting weight), 8L by Charli Parcs (getting weight) and a neck by Divin Bere (getting weight). He then wins a handicap by 18L and only goes up 1lb for it. RPRs of 114, 120, 123 and 123. And then magically he turns into a RPR141 god who’s a new-and-improved horse and over a stone better than 2 months ago?
LOL don’t take me for an idiot
Charli Parcs bolts up if he runs, simple as that buddy
Totally irrelevant to what the point of the comment was, who MBE is out of is irrelevant, his results on the flat are irrelevant, the fact that he won the race was irrelevant also,
the only thing that matters in all of this is
CP was not fluent, he was ridden along, was whipped, got tired and fell
How you assess that is yours to decide, but like youv just stated yourself with MBE, CP will have to “Magically” be a 150+ horse from a 140+ horse within the space of a few weeks if hes to beat defi du seuil that is…. god lets hope that Defi du seuil hasnt improved by anything or CP is going to have to improve by as much as MBE did to “bolt up”
good luck buddy
1 – you’re simple if you can’t understand my argument
2 – LOL
Your arguement is simple,You dont think that MBE could find enough progression over 4/5 jumps outings to be a 140 horse – flat form is totally irrelevant, sometimes they will be the standard 45lb higher than there flat rating sometimes they wont,its not uncommon for them to outrun there pedigree, but if MBE was rated 86 and statistics say his jumps rating will be around 131, he hasnt had to progress all that much to be at his current mark
But you think after CP last run that he will find the same progression that MBE did to be a 150+ horse which is entirely possible but entirely unlikely given how he ran at this stage
The irony is i like CP and was keen on him in the supreme, but he regressed on his last run, he wasnt slick and speedy like the time before he had to be chased along from an early stage and was very poor over his hurdles, inexperience probably
Dont have anything substantial on the race myself, will be happy enough if CP “bolts up” just seems a tad unlikely
What has Charli Parcs done to merit all this attention?
All he’s done is win a tinpot hurdle at Kempton.
Madness imo.
Charli Parcs seems to be turning into the “Marmite” horse of the festival. For
what it’s worth, I’m siding with the “love him” camp. As I commented on the
Supreme thread, after his Adonis run, I thought that he didn’t settle and
gave Barry Geraghty a bit of a time cajoling him along, but when he eventually
saw daylight I think that he was picking up really well just before he came
down. I don’t think it was a tired fall, and as I said then, IMO he would
have run on well and based on his previous run against the winner I see no
reason why he wouldn’t have won.He didn’t settle brilliantly on his first start either but he did jump and travel like a different horse. He did pick up but the winner was still travelling much better and didn’t stop. There was every reason to believe he wouldn’t have won. He has had a crashing fall and regressed from the previous run and people still want to talk him up? I can see why people might have been interested after the previous run (I was one of them) but not after the additional negatives surrounding the latest run. Even before that it was guesswork as to whether Cheltenham would suit. NRNB or not he is a now a double figure price for good reason. I think plenty of people would have side-stepped the Festival but Henderson has entered prove a point mode.
What has Charli Parcs done to merit all this attention?
All he’s done is win a tinpot hurdle at Kempton.
Madness imo.
Thejudge1, I hope you never stop posting. I just love reading your posts. Each and every own of them gives me a good old chuckle. And when you tie them all together and make a whole narrative out of them, LOL!
All will be revealed next week anyway. I was having a serious think about Charli Parcs at 4/1 so at 10/1 I think I’ll back him e/w.
They are all 4 year old s in this race and as such anything can happen. Ivanovic Gorbatov ran a stinker on his run before last years triumph and he still won it.
Charli Parcs seems to be turning into the “Marmite” horse of the festival. For
what it’s worth, I’m siding with the “love him” camp. As I commented on the
Supreme thread, after his Adonis run, I thought that he didn’t settle and
gave Barry Geraghty a bit of a time cajoling him along, but when he eventually
saw daylight I think that he was picking up really well just before he came
down. I don’t think it was a tired fall, and as I said then, IMO he would
have run on well and based on his previous run against the winner I see no
reason why he wouldn’t have won.He didn’t settle brilliantly on his first start either but he did jump and travel like a different horse. He did pick up but the winner was still travelling much better and didn’t stop. There was every reason to believe he wouldn’t have won. He has had a crashing fall and regressed from the previous run and people still want to talk him up? I can see why people might have been interested after the previous run (I was one of them) but not after the additional negatives surrounding the latest run. Even before that it was guesswork as to whether Cheltenham would suit. NRNB or not he is a now a double figure price for good reason. I think plenty of people would have side-stepped the Festival but Henderson has entered prove a point mode.
I get your point Stilvi, and admittedly it’s not hard to make a counter arguement. I think the whole
case lies in what was about to happen when he came down. I thought he was just picking up and I expected
him to take off, he has done before, but others think it was a tired fall and he had regressed, and
that’s fair enough. I’ve watched it a few times and with the difficult ride Geraghty had on him, I think
he did well to be in the position he was just before he came down. I suppose it’s all about gut feeling
as to what he was about to do, and mine was that he looked like he finally settled and looked like he was
about to make his move. If you look at the previous Kempton race on 27 Dec, he didn’t particularly
settle early on, and it wasn’t until the latter part of the race that Noel Fehily took him wide that he
improved easily and then with 3 to go he took off. MBE is obviously pretty decent, so there isn’t much
doubting it was an impressive win. In the Adonis Geraghty rode him differently, he kept him towards the
inside with plenty company around him. I think he wasn’t that comfortable with that, and as I said
earlier it was only when he saw daylight that he looked settled and looked (IMO) like he was going
to make a move. I doubt he’s lost his ability after 1 run, so with a run more suited to him I can see
him showing what he is capable of. Geraghty is out for the Festival, I’d be quite happy if Fehily
took the reins at Cheltenham. If the first Kempton race is the true CP, then he is hugely overpriced,
but I accept that the 2nd run leaves some doubt. You pays your money you takes your choice
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