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    Bulwark
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    Am looking forward to seeing Mount Helicon out again, he is down to run in a class3 on saturday, which, with a decent pace should bring a decent performance from him.

    Nicholls said on his colomn last week that hebridean has come on leaps and bounds from last time and we should see a different horse next time. I think on better ground we will see a much improved performance from him.

    I noticed Ebadiyan in the run up to saturdays race, as he was well supported in the run up, but not in the triumph hurdle market, hard to know for certain but may just have had everything in his favour, or be an in and out horse coming good at the right time. Time will tell with him but it was a good win and the second is a potentially decent horse in his own right.

    #203685
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    Ebadiyan looked really well these past to races, I backed him first time but missed it yesterday, was’nt happy. Think he will improve again next time wether hes good enough for the triumph remains to be seen, I had a couple of pounds at 33’s which im happy with but ive backed 4 horses for the triumph now. Think I have the winner though haha. Saticon, Walk On, Hebridean and now Ebadiyan.

    #203849
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    Mount Helicon is out tomorrow in a class4 but think this is the wrong race for him, flat track and no signs of a decent pace, I dont think this will show him at his best and wouldnt be surprised to see him done for toe. May see if there is any value in taking him on for tomorrows contest.

    #203889
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    Ebadiyan looked good the other day, but he was getting weight off the second and the pace was fairly moderate throughout. He is obviously a contender, but I still think its a little early to call this and it wil be interesting to see all the leading contenders next run before deciding which is the one or two to be on.
    Also the Fred Winter will come into the equation with several trainers having multiple chances, one or two may be diverted which may mean other deciding to take a chance there too to get favourable conditions.

    #203917
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    Mount Helicon is out tomorrow in a class4 but think this is the wrong race for him, flat track and no signs of a decent pace, I dont think this will show him at his best and wouldnt be surprised to see him done for toe. May see if there is any value in taking him on for tomorrows contest.

    Good work Bully…

    #203945
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    Cheers aragorn but a bit disappointed with King for sending him there today, I actually still think Mount Helicon is still in the triumph picture, but king needs to actually put him in the right races, he was entered for a quite competetive looking class 3 at the weekend and think he would have been much better going for that than todays race.

    The last two races he has sent Walk On for would have been perfect for mount helicon, but MH should hold his form much better when the ground improves.

    I think Mount Helicon is potentially emerging as this years Won In The Dark, for an e/w in the triumph, but at a much better price, however if King doesnt start to send him for the right races he isnt going to get an idea of how good he actually is and may not send him, which would be a shame.

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    There always sems to be a Won in the Dark pops up in the Triumph but Mount Helicon? Got to strongly disagree wih you there;

    I really don’t think he is enjoying his hurdling and I doubt if he will turn up on the day.

    Class horse like him should have at least made an effort after his very bad mistake but he just didn’t want to know. The fact he stopped to nothing could be down to him hurting himslef but there was no report of that. Looking back at his first race he threw he head to the side and again wasn’t putting it in and ended up being beaten by a very moderate horse.

    Don’t forget that was a grade 4 hurdle which is a million miles away from the Triumph.

    #204387
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    Pace is the key to Montjeus Fist, and there should be plenty of it in this years there should be plenty.

    When you look at some of the horses who have beaten Won In The Dark Dark, you would say he would have no chance of running Sublimity so close at leopardstown, with so many smart ones behind him. Many didnt even consider him a serious e/w chance in last years triumph.

    Pace Shot, also by Montjeu, very nearly came in e/w for me in detroit city’s triumph at 100-1, and if you were to look at the rest of his form you would have said he had no right to be there.

    Mount Helicon is a much smarter horse than Pace Shot, that is for sure and where I have already stated that there is a fair chance Mount Helicon may miss this due to poor campaigning by King, not giving him a realistic insight into the horses ability, if he lines up on the day I would be confident he will be thereabouts in the closing stages.

    #204545
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    If the ground is genuinely good tomorrow then I expect Zaynar will struggle to grind out a win, Stow looks to be a speedy type who should get 2 miles on good ground perfectly, if in form, and Saticon would look to be crying out for a decent pace on good ground if the race pans out that way.

    At a very short odds on price I think Zaynar has every chance of being turned over on tomorrows conditions, but should still be solidly in the triumph picture regardless. If the others throw in a reasonable performance and Zaynar still wins tomorrow then I expect he will be somewhat special, but conditionms are not in his favour IMO.

    #204755
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    Struggled a bit with jumping but stayed on very well Bulwark and was too good for them in the end. A worthy Triumph Hurdle favourite iMO and the faster they go the more it will suite Zaynar.

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    The triumph hurdle is going to be tough to pick this year. From what i was told about Black Jacari last summer, i thought he would have a good chance. Now he doesnt haha. Mr King will have one or two up his sleeve in my opinion. It might not be Walk On or Saticon or even Mount Helicon. This race is going to be hard to pick the winner

    #205721
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    Mourad is the one I’m on, managed to get 33’s only a couple of weeks back. He’s now 16’s with a lot of bookmakers and expect him to be shorter after the weekend.

    Only one race to date, just touched off by another interesting prospect, Jumbo Rio, with the pair leaving the well thought of Ebidayan wondering which way they went.
    Very useful recruit from the flat, rated 100+, and you would think he would improve next time as he ran green for a long way on his debut, especially when asked to pick up.

    #205726
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    Just out of interest, when was the last time there was an Irish winner of the Triumph?

    #205731
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    2002 – Scolardy trained by Willie Mullins

    #206506
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    Hebridean makes his reappearance tomorrow, and with the form of his defeat last time now looking rock solid, he merits a lot of respect, probably one for aintree rather than cheltenham, but can see him shortening significantly after tomorrow, especially with many of those between him and the market leaders now looking very moderate, and at 33/1 currently he could be a good prospect for laying off later at shorter.

    After two defeats on soft and heavy ground I must say that Simarian at 100/1 with bet365 is a shade massive looking (even betfair is sat at 41) for one that should be more suited to cheltenham.

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    He improved on his Newbury run but I doubt Hebridean is anywhere near Triumph Hurdle material. The winner looked quite decent though. Henderson looks to have a very strong team of 4yos this season.

    #206617
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    I agree Imperial Call, still think the horse has bags of class about him though, but just doesnt see out 2 miles well enough to win the triumph, on good/good-soft at aintree though he could be a serious challenger though, and it will probably be worth forgetting him until then.

    PS Ainama is a 5yo

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