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I thought he was incredibly impressive today and he’s a cracking bet for next years Champion Chase even at this stage in what isn’t the strongest division.
He’s won round Cheltenham and I don’t see why he shouldn’t be just as effective round there. Yesterday was the first time he didn’t have to do all his own donkey work upfront and he looked a far better horse for it.
Very impressive for me……….jumped very well indeed and as has been said its the ground nothing else for Tataniano. Id go as far as to say in fact it may well have been the performance of the meeting. Will he get that ground at Cheltenham next year??…….who knows….if he does hes a very live threat if not then in the very top grade id say forget him.
Mr.Wilson, I do believe you have lost the plot!
Next Kauto/Big Bucks?!
Would have won the Arkle doing handstands?!
You must have a serious crystal ball to be making proclamations like that!
The ground is the key to Tataniano,from the moment he 1st jumped a fence,he looked a natural,its just a pity he has a touch of the Albertas and hates to get his feet wet! He is a horse that only goes up in my estimations!
Tbf, he’ll get LOADS of good ground in this country throughout the NH season.
Massive over-reaction, just like the attention lavished on Somersby!Why PN/Stewart decided to take him out of the Arkle I have no idea but seems like they made the right choice
Why on earth does it seem to you that they made the right choice? The way he trounced this lot would give every indication that their judgement was very poor in choosing a handicap over the conditions race. Don’t expect to hear anything but they will know they made a mistake – and that is probably why Nicholls has been spinning the yarn about the horse only just coming too himself.
It is a fair point that Tataniano didn’t immediately take the lead yesterday and that probably helped. Once he did take over rather than travelling too freely he was always racing within himself and he eventually extended all the way to the line. He is a speed horse and clearly will not be stepping up in trip.
As regards the Arkle itself it didn’t appear to be the wonderful race all the hype would have you believe. The winner fell over the line against a horse who was never travelling, ponderous over his fences and appears tripless. The amount of ground that Riverside Theatre made up gives a pretty fair indication that the leaders were going nowhere fast at the end.
I sure ain’t gonna debate this.
The race that Tataniano won was absolutely rubbish for a Grade 1. There’s nothing at all to suggest he’s better than Mad Max, and Sizing Europe was all over Mad Max whilst running away with the Arkle. He was idling all the way up the run in, because he was so much better than the rest he had pulled himself to the front a mile out in a championship event. Tataniano was being aimed at a handicap.
As is so often the case people just see what they want to see, and are happy to re-invent things accordingly.
I sure ain’t gonna debate this.
As is so often the case people just see what they want to see, and are happy to re-invent things accordingly.
Like you just have, eh?
There seems to be people here taking completely opposite sides of the argument, and not looking at the bigger picture.
I myself feel Tataniano would NOT have been in the first four in the Arkle, but we will never know now, and will have to wait until the Champion Chase next year to find out.
The facts are such: he missed Cheltenham, trainer/owner said he wasn’t good enough for the Arkle. Reappears at Aintree, beats Arkle 3rd easily.
It is impossible to say what would have happened had he run in the Arkle. None of us can say for certain.
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He probably missed the Arkle as he hadn’t lasted home at Newbury. The Grand Annual, where he would have been thrown in at the weights against lesser horses, might have been a different kettle of fish
Fascinating how much opinions divide over this particular horse,i for one had him as a bit of a "Tatenen" to begin with,but like i have said Tataniano has grown in my estimations like he himself has grown into a Top class chaser over 2 miles,had he ran at this seasons festival and reproduced yesterdays form he would have shaken up the winner!Why? Because like i said in the Arkle thread, he has speed to burn.Serious horse this!When the King says so, he"s right more times than he"s wrong!
I sure ain’t gonna debate this.
The race that Tataniano won was absolutely rubbish for a Grade 1. There’s nothing at all to suggest he’s better than Mad Max, and Sizing Europe was all over Mad Max whilst running away with the Arkle. He was idling all the way up the run in, because he was so much better than the rest he had pulled himself to the front a mile out in a championship event. Tataniano was being aimed at a handicap.
As is so often the case people just see what they want to see, and are happy to re-invent things accordingly.
Yes, it really would be ridiculous to accuse you of seeing what you want to see.
I don’t need to re-invent anything. On a direct interpretation of the form Tataniano is this seasons leading two mile novice. Fact. It is very easy to belittle the race just because Osana and co were well beaten. If Osana had beaten Archie Boy eight lengths nobody would have complained. To quote O’Grady ‘we have no excuses’ and they are considering Punchestown so hardly a suggestion the horse had ‘gone’. The likes of Archie Boy, Bergo, Noble Alan, See U Bob and Bedlam Boy all looked relatively progressive but were beaten out of sight. The ground was too quick for Bedlam Boy but there is nothing to suggest the others didn’t run to somewhere near their best.
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Stilvi
It would be foolish to take Osana’s form literally.
As I’ve already indicated, all his form points to yesterday being an insufficient test. Even 2.5 miles around this track wasn’t far enough for him over hurdles; he began his flat career over 12f, as did a couple of his siblings, and his family are all strong stayers.
He is almost certain to run better around the stiffer Punchestown, but taking that as a boost for a speed horse, beating him on a speed track, would be equally mistaken, imo.- Total Posts 17716
You must remember
29th January – Tatanianos defeat at Newbury
7th March – Walsh chooses Sports Line
10th March – Tatanianos withdrawl from ArkleThere was 40 days to withdraw Tataniano from the market if the Newbury run was that bad, it just seems a very grey area when you look at the timing of his withdrawl to Ruby’s decision to chose Sports Line.
The horse is clearly good enough for the Arkle and they had a pretty poor excuse to why they didnt run him which you can see doesnt add up well, horse needs good ground well the first day at Cheltenham was hardly soft with the sun beating down from early hours of the morning and looked pretty good to me.
Stilvi
It would be foolish to take Osana’s form literally.
As I’ve already indicated, all his form points to yesterday being an insufficient test. Even 2.5 miles around this track wasn’t far enough for him over hurdles; he began his flat career over 12f, as did a couple of his siblings, and his family are all strong stayers.
He is almost certain to run better around the stiffer Punchestown, but taking that as a boost for a speed horse, beating him on a speed track, would be equally mistaken, imo.Had a look at Osana’s record and the fact is he hasn’t actually run that many times on sharp tracks. There are the two perfectly creditable runs at Aintree and a win over inferior opposition at Wincanton. The win over Katchit was over two years ago and may well have coincided with the horse just being in the best form of his life. For me there doesn’t seem to be enough evidence to support such a definite view.
I am not suggesting that Tataniano is some sort of certainty for next year’s Champion Chase but on yesterday’s performance he would have had more than a fair chance of being competitive in the Arkle. If bookmakers could price the race again I haven’t much doubt he would be favourite – some people on here wanted to offer any price.
See ‘Arkle’ thread. This was probably the most rubbished horse – admitedly mainly the same repeat offenders – on any of the Cheltenham threads. Hope there is enough humble pie to go round.
Well i’m guessing that’s partly aimed at me
.Certainly no humble pie here, he was my banker of the meeting, if ever a horse was going to appreciate a sharp two miles on genuine good ground it was him. Terrible aftertiming I know but I had him in a big single and as the backbone of a number of multiples.
I still stick by what I said though, he was far too short in the Arkle market for what he’d achieved and I still wouldn’t even consider betting him against the likes of Sizing Europe, Somersby and Captain Cee Bee at Cheltenham on normal first day festival ground.
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