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does anybody else agree that unless he is riding a "machine" he will get beat, yet still rides the poor horses as if they are machines – i.e. motionless, zero effort from the saddle and then when the pace quickens he is left wanting and cannot pick up. 4.40 Perth today for instance.
Didn’t see the race. Proof of the pudding will be in the eating, a season at Ditcheat will be the answer to your question. I have a hunch that Ditcheat horse power is not as it was, so it may be difficult to really judge. Either way it will be his fault!!
Did he get called in for his ride on Vibrato Valtat? It was strange to say the least.
It was an interesting one. Vibrato Valtat is a notorious dog and has to be delivered late off a fast pace (see chasing debut at Warwick), but he never even got a chance to duck the issue today. Sam hesitated and didn’t put his horse in with a chance of winning.
I think an investigation is needed when you think of the horse’s future prospects. He’s not going to win the Arkle, so keeping a respectful distance from the useful Dunraven Storm was probably in his best interests for handicapping.
Very strange as he didn’t make much attempt to close but seemed to have plenty left at the end, no doubt the stewards and BHA will be investigating the race rigorously
Did he get called in for his ride on Vibrato Valtat? It was strange to say the least.
The horse won hard held last time out, coming through to win putting his head in front very late. But it both finds absolutely nothing under pressure and pulls himself up once infront. If Sam would’ve asked him earlier would’ve downed tools. It’s the reason why I wanted to back his two main rivals today.
Sam probably didn’t judge the pace quite right THM, but nothing questionable. Vibrato is a very difficult ride.
Value Is EverythingDid he get called in for his ride on Vibrato Valtat? It was strange to say the least.
The horse won hard held last time out, coming through to win putting his head in front very late. But it both finds absolutely nothing under pressure and pulls himself up once infront. If Sam would’ve asked him earlier would’ve downed tools. It’s the reason why I wanted to back his two main rivals today.
Sam probably didn’t judge the pace quite right THM, but nothing questionable. Vibrato is a very difficult ride.
I’m not suggesting anything underhand about the ride but thought it worth looking at. I know the horse needs delivering late but there’s late and there’s late, he picked up pretty well after the last but was never going to reach the winner. He looked a horse with more to give imo.
Very strange as he didn’t make much attempt to close but seemed to have plenty left at the end, no doubt the stewards and BHA will be investigating the race rigorously
No point Tony, the horse is a dog, needs to be ridden with extreme waiting tactics and so needs things to go right. BHA and stewards know it so any enquirey would be a waste of time.
Value Is EverythingI’m not suggesting anything underhand about the ride but thought it worth looking at. I know the horse needs delivering late but there’s late and there’s late, he picked up pretty well after the last but was never going to reach the winner. He looked a horse with more to give imo.
Agreed, the horse did have more to give, but a horse like that needs things go his way in a race.
Value Is Everything"Vibrato Valtat given a fine ride by Sam Twiston-Davies" – RUK racing replay.
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There’s unfortunately a natural instinct for commentators to exaggerate the other way when something is thought by some as questionable.
Value Is EverythingIf the horse needs delivering late that’s fine but the thing would need a rocket up it’s jackass with double turbo to be delivered that late and still win. Maybe Sam thought the leaders would come back quicker then they did aswell as his mount finishing fast, more a poorly judge ride then anything untoward.
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I suspect it was one of the few downsides of confidence. Having judged it to perfection on Caid Du Berlais (or, got lucky, depending on your viewpoint), he might well have thought he could do the same today.
The horse should have won, it was a poor ride that I would put down to the lack of experience of the jockey.
How many times before has he ridden a horse like this? He thought he would do exactly the same as Warwick but failed to take into account the better class of horse here.
He rode it perfectly up to the second last but should have kicked on after that instead of taking a pull and letting the winner get away from him.
It’s all still a learning experience for the guy.
Not sure "should have won" is the right expression in this case Eddie. The horse is a dog. If he wasn’t a dog there’d be no reason for exaggerated waiting tactics that make him difficult to win with. Therefore may be "should have won had temperament not been an important part of his make up" – might be more accurate.
imo temperament can not be taken out of the equation
. If Sam had judged the race to perfection and got the horse’s head in front near the line he "should have won". Had Sam chose to get after V V earlier would probably have downed tools before getting anywhere near the front; ie "should not have won". Had Sam ridden the horse nearer the pace and got to the front too soon and downed tools; "should not have won".
There was always a good chance temperament would mean the horse "should not have won".
Value Is EverythingGinge,the horse should have won,simple as that.It was a shocking ride from Sam and my exact words after the race were ‘Paul will bollo*k him for that’!
Not sure "should have won" is the right expression in this case Eddie. The horse is a dog. If he wasn’t a dog there’d be no reason for exaggerated waiting tactics that make him difficult to win with. Therefore may be "should have won had temperament not been an important part of his make up" – might be more accurate.
imo temperament can not be taken out of the equation
. If Sam had judged the race to perfection and got the horse’s head in front near the line he "should have won". Had Sam chose to get after V V earlier would probably have downed tools before getting anywhere near the front; ie "should not have won". Had Sam ridden the horse nearer the pace and got to the front too soon and downed tools; "should not have won".
There was always a good chance temperament would mean the horse "should not have won".
Doubt Paul Nicholls will agree with you, and to call the horse a dog is plainly ridiculous, I wouldn’t mind owning a few dogs like him.
The horse is far too young to be making hard and fast rules about, you don’t know he would have downed tools and he was produced far too late today.I take it from what you say that that you considered Sea Pigeon a dog
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