Russia / Ukraine

[IanDavies]

Lots of generalisations about “the left” and “the far left,” GT – a fair few about “the right” as well.

The past is in the past, but I will start noting and highlighting future instances.

I’m sure I won’t have long to wait.

We are all individuals with individual value systems – none of us should just be lumped in with any broad brush political label or political figure.

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[Gingertipster]

That’s the whole point of saying about Corbyn and Abbott in this thread, Ian.
Many people voted Labour in the last election.
All those voting Labour were as you say “individuals with individual value systems”, in reality very few were far left in their own views. But what they would’ve got had Labour been successful is a far left Putin loving neo-Communist government led by Corbyn.
Can you not see that?

Corbyn and Abbott’s attitude to the Ukraine crisis proves the point.

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[IanDavies]

I can see it, but I’m not sure of its relevance to anything, tbh.

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[Gingertipster]

Relevance is that had Labour won the last election we would’ve had a Putin loving, NATO hating, neo-communist government in power in Britain at this hour of Ukraine / Russia (Putin) crisis.

tbh Taking that into account I think even Starmer is glad Boris won the last election.

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[IanDavies]

But isn’t it just meaningless “whatiffery?”

Neither of the main parties had a suitable leader at the last election – worst choice for the moderate in my lifetime.

Had Corbyn won, a Labour version of GT might be saying: “Can you imagine what it would be like if that gung ho Churchill wannabe Johnson had won? We’d be at all-out War with Russia by now!”

It’s all meaningless speculation about what might have happened if things had panned out differently.

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[Gingertipster]

It’s not “meaningless whatiffery / speculation” Ian.
We can see what Boris is doing now.
And
We can see what Corbyn and Abbott are saying about the crisis now.
Had Corbyn’s government been in power it’s bloody obvious C&A would’ve been pro Putin and dissing our allies NATO, just like they’re doing now.

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[moehat]

Corbyn and Abbott are not the Labour Party. I have a running battle with Abbotts supporters.. Chris Williamson was in my local Labour group and lived in my village. He’s a complete nutcase.

[IanDavies]

“Had Corbyn’s government been in power it’s bloody obvious C&A would’ve been pro Putin and dissing our allies NATO, just like they’re doing now.”

But they’re not, so they can’t.

I just don’t get why it matters.

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[Richard88]

‘worst choice for the moderate in my lifetime.’

I was talking to a geriatric oak tree the other day who said the same thing.

[IanDavies]

I’m going to have to go away and try to work out if I’ve just been insulted or not.

I may be gone some time….

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[Richard88]

I’m off to work out whether or not I should answer that.

Although I can only applaud your use of the correct ‘try to’ instead of the awful ‘try and’.

[Purwell]

I’m going down the pub.

I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways

[gamble]

I am a ‘try and’

Thanks Dick and your two fat ladies for my possible conversion.

Write it down

[Gingertipster]

“Corbyn and Abbott are not the Labour Party. I have a running battle with Abbotts supporters”..

Correct, “Corbyn and Abbott are not the Labour Party”.
But Corbyn was labour’s leader at the last election and his shadow cabinet was dominated by far left colleagues, Moe’. NOT the type of Labour MP’s you like or the type most Labour voters like. ie Had “Labour” (as a party) been elected then most Labour voters would not have got what they actually wanted. Because we would now have a government (those actually in the shadow cabinet not the whole party) dominated by Putin loving, NATO hating, neo-communists at the time of this Ukraine / Putin crisis.

Putin thrives on allied disunity and a (Corbyn led) Labour British government would have weakened the allies enormously.

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[Purwell]

Because we would now have a government (those actually in the shadow cabinet not the whole party) dominated by Putin loving, NATO hating, neo-communists at the time of this Ukraine / Putin crisis.

No we wouldn’t.

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[moehat]

As it is we’ve got a government made up of weak second rate politicians chosen purely for their devotion to Johnson and brexit. Corbyn moved all of the decent experienced politicians to the back benches for the same reason. It’s been an awful time for British politics over the past few years. I mean, Nadine Dorries as culture minister. What’s that about!

[Gingertipster]

Care to share with us why, Purwell?

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