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The more Zalensky can convince Putin that Ukraine wants to continue the war – the theory goes – the more Ukraine will get out of a peace deal when it comes.
The more Putin can convince Zalensky that Russia wants to continue the war (into other regions of Ukraine) – the theory goes – the more Russia will get out of a peace deal when it comes.
Therefore Zalensky and Putin will say they want to continue the war.
What both leaders say in public they’re effectively saying to their enemy. It is all propoganda.In private:
Putting myself in the shoes of Putin, can’t see him getting anything else from this war than Luhansk and Donbass.
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Putting myself in Zalensky’s shoes, can’t see any chance of him getting back Luhansk and Donbass.Therefore the time for a peace deal is – in all probability – now.
Value Is EverythingPerhaps peace negotiations have already began? Two recent almost simultaneous events would support that.
1. Russia and Ukraine reach deal to end blockade of grain exports in Black Sea;
2. Russia resumes gas flows to Germany after Nord Stream “maintenance”.
Doesn’t appear that these events were coincidental. Moreover, any peace negotiations will certainly not be “bilateral”. EU/NATO may not be present at the table, but they do have a large stake in this having provided significant financial, logistical, and military (arms) aid to Ukraine. They will be there behind the scenes, rest assured…We’re in agreement Ginge. I’ve said from the start that both, and all sides
use propoganda, although some interprated this as me not believing Zalensky
early on. I think (or hope) that Putin will stop at what he has already got,
perhaps that’s all he wanted. Let’s hope so but it doesn’t bode well that
the Russians hit the port of Odesa with missiles after the apparent grain
deal that was done earlier.I think there’s a fair way to go with this before anything is properly
settled. I also think the appetite for this from the west is waning a
little. For Zalensky’s sake I hope there is a settlement in sight.Putin won’t “stop”, needs his enemies to believe he wants to go further in order to get what he feels is the best deal.
Russia may have signed the Black Sea deal, but that never meant Russia was going to leave Odesa alone.
Value Is EverythingApparantly the port (Odesa) itself is still functional, the Russians
state that the strike was on western arms being brought into Ukraine.
Despite my mistrust of the Russians, it’s not impossible that this is
the case (Clive would love that one
). Hundreds of Ukranian
officials have been charged with treason and his Domestic Security advisor
(a life long friend of Zalensky) and Prosecutor General have been given the
elbow. How many more (as yet unknown) are passing intelligence to the Russians.
If ever there was a good time for weapons to be brought in, it’s whilst there’s
an agreement to allow the ports to operate distributing grain, unless that
information is being relayed to Putin.Given the news that Ukraine has fired American missiles into Russia, are we getting World War 3 as an early Christmas present?
Russian bears are not scared when subjected to gbh of the ear ‘ole but they don’t take kindly to actually being poked
Biden has now announced he’ll be supplying Ukraine with anti-personnel mines too; and almost simultaneously the US Embassy in Kyiv has been closed due to reports that ‘a significant attack’ is imminent
Biden’s last hoorah seems to be one of making the world as unstable as possible before shuffling off into terminal senility
I didn’t think he was the vindictive sore-loser type
Dark, dark days indeed
“I didn’t think he was the vindictive sore-loser type.”
No but his entourage almost certainly are. I very much doubt Biden has had any say in the matter, given his condition.
If Biden’s administration is deliberately making the situation worse before Trump takes over, it is unforgivable. And Macron and Starmer should not be going along with it.
I don’t think Xi Jinping would very be happy if Putin got above his station.
China relies on world trade and for that to be curtailed would be a no no.
Putin will probably bombard Ukraine for the next six weeks until Trump is in office. If he did decide to foolhardly “nuke” somewhere in Ukraine – and the “fall-out” spread to a NATO country then it would be welcome to WW3.
Biden was very pleasant to Trump when they met at the White House recently – looks like he had a plan and Trump was given “the finger” as soon as he left.
Enjoy life while you can folks, we are determined to destroy ourselves as a species and you can’t take it with you.
Confirmed that Ukraine has fired British supplied missiles into Russia.
No doubt the industrial-military complex is delighted. And all our glorious leaders will have spaces already allocated to them in an underground bunker.
Meanwhile, the media obsesses about the funeral of a singer while the world faces its most dangerous moment since the Cuban Missile Crisis, which the kiddults who govern us have probably never heard of before.
Dont worry CAS, Id be more worried about the threat to cut the Irish Sea fibre optics, so it disturbs the Cheltenham markets over the weekend.
At least Southport won last night, L.
A 1-1 draw against Nelson, before prevailing 4-2 on penalties in the Lancashire Senior Cup.
Thankful for small mercies.
I don’t think the draw has been made yet.
It was actually the Lancashire Challenge Trophy. I got it mixed up with the Liverpool Senior Cup, in which we defeated Warrington Town last week. City of Liverpool FC next.
Then we beat Warrington again a few days later in the FA Trophy. Peterborough Sports next.
Difficult away trips in the league to King’s Lynn and Curzon Ashton coming up before the derby match with Marine at the end of the month.
That should take my mind off the upcoming nuclear apocalypse.
It’s been a good day: a freezing if nicely cobweb-blowing couple of hours on my allotment including a first picking of fine fat Brussels Sprouts accompanied for a fleeting few minutes by three shocking-pink male bullfinches: all’s well with the world
Cocooning myself in gardening, nature and midweek NH Racing at the gaffs does bring solace. Selfish or sensible I’m not sure; both probably
C’mon the Sandgrounders
I haven’t seen a bullfinch for years. I haven’t seen a chaffinch for a while either. They used to be quite common.
The birds have certainly appreciated the food I put out for them yesterday. They have devoured the seed and taken most of the peanuts, so I shall have to fill the feeders again tomorrow.
). Hundreds of Ukranian
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