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Ginger
Your comment about ”winning opportunities” exposes your limited thinking. Opportunities to profit from winning through the availability of generous odds is the incentive not the act of winning in itself.
3. Does the BHA or A N Other regulator monitor betting by stables and those connected with stables? Why should trainers and their friends be able to make money from the knowledge a horse is likely to win/has no chance while the rest of us bet without this knowledge?
I was at a meeting recently and got into a lift with someone who part-owned one of the horses due to race next. He was told by the trainer (a household name) not to back the horse as he had little to no chance of winning (the horse was favourite at the time). The rest of us at the meeting and punters around the country did not have the benefit of this inside knowledge. The horse was duly beaten.
Why shouldn’t Trainers and friends be able to make money from their knowledge of the horse? If running on ground for the first time and it’s shown a liking for it at home why shouldn’t they profit? Just because the trainer has studied a different form book (home gallops) why shouldn’t he/she and friends benefit? I use better form books than most punters, should I be allowed to benefit?
If the horse is running on a soft surface in public for the first time – where at home he seems not to like that ground… Then the trainer is likely to tell the owner not to back his horse or has little chance.
What was the price of this "favourite at the time" Rayzor? Was it odds-on? If bigger than 10/11 it was a probable loser anyway. A lot of trainers are pessimistic and only tell owners to back something if having an excellent chance of winning. Not wanting to disappoint the owner when it comes in 3rd or 4th. Handicap favourites are still likely losers.
Just because a trainer does not believe a horse will win, it does not mean it is not trying to win. Am sure the owner would’ve been delighted had the horse proved good enough.
Value Is EverythingGinger
Your comment about ”winning opportunities” exposes your limited thinking. Opportunities to profit from winning through the availability of generous odds is the incentive not the act of winning in itself.
Rather have my limited thinking than yours Wolfie.
Unless I was someone who bet in massive amounts – As an owner I’d rather have several opportunities to win and back my horse at a reasonable price; rather than just one chance at possibly (and only possibly) larger odds.
Value Is EverythingYou wonder where the horse that beat your horse came from. it’s a common theme. Disguised ability, waited with, whatever.
Stop betting you losers.Oh dear, someone’s had too much to drink on a Friday night again. LOL
Are we all really losers Woolfie?
Check my DLAP thread out.
33% Profit on stakes.
If disguised ability was a big problem then how come each price wins pretty much exactly the percentage of races you’d expect?
Value Is EverythingI’m not very good at betting on racing and lose money. The favourite didn’t win and I’m upset.
I should stop betting and whining.FYP
Why waste your money betting when you can get ripped off drinking all night eh Woolf….!!!
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I think in the whole of last year I had a total of one losing bet where I thought it looked dodgy – horse who had won a handicap over 1m 2f the previous week by seven lengths, reappearing over same course and distance and ground with 5lb penalty, drifts from 8/13 to 6/4, never going well and finishes lifeless fifth of seven.
Go back 20 years and I felt robbed far more often.
Either the game has got straighter or I have simply got a better knack of backing horses who are actually trying. =D
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"If disguised ability was a big problem then how come each price wins pretty much exactly the percentage of races you’d expect?
Care to answer the question Woolfie?
Value Is EverythingI think Woolfie just isn’t very good at the betting game lol.
Instead of getting mad Woolfie, listen, read, think and learn. First thing to do is stop looking for excuses and stop blaming other factors for your failings. Face up to the fact that you are (obviously) doing things wrong. If you don’t do that you’re never going to be able to right your wrongs.
The enemy of a lot of punters is their own laziness.
Why learn to analyse data when you can just back the favourite or get tips off dodgy websites or even Facebook pages?
And when the horse gets beat you can blame the tipster or, if it is simply a bet on the fav – the trainer and or jockey: the horse should have won, it was fav!
Their fault, not mine!
I am not much interested in trying to help other punters do better – nothing in it for me so all I will say is consider putting the hours in, do a bit of graft, betting is a combination of maths and, for me anyway, intuition – the one thing you cannot program into a data model. =D
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Take a look at Balducci at Chester yesterday, this is typical. Beaten 29 l in last couple of starts
Was a class 4 race been running in class 2 I think off the top of my head.
Some times beaten lengths don’t tell the whole story as a horse could get badly hampered and be eased down.License to kill the bookies
It was dropping down to a claimer having been beaten eight lengths off its handicap mark in a Class 2 race its previous start.
I am not going to be an after timer and say it was a knocking good bet last night but it’s win was hardly the shock of the year either.
Winning money betting is hard work – even when you do the graft there are losing spells over the course of the year.
If you don’t put the work in you’ve got no chance.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Take a look at Balducci at Chester yesterday, this is typical. Beaten 29 l in last couple of starts
Hates being taken on for the early lead and/or big fields.
Won his last three races of 7 runners or less in which he’s been allowed to dictate the pace. Chester is also the best track in the country for a front runner given an easy lead.
Why take so much notice of races where Balducci has not had his right circumstances Woolfie?
But as others have pointed out, it was a big step down in class. Timeform have him as improving only 7 lbs from the 8th of 8 in a Grade 2 last time out (where he did not get his circumstances). So it wasn’t the massive progression you make out. I think connections deserve an apology from you! Like so many before them.
Thank you Woolfie, for giving us yet another example of the blame game many mug punters engage in. Where their rage is based on ignorance.
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