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Monalee is Albert Bartlett bound.
De Bromhead feels added distance and better ground gives his fella serious chance of reversing places with Death DutyWhen was this decided? Last I heard Henry was saying the plan was to avoid Death Duty
Finian’s Oscar had the look of a banker for this at one stage but I wasn’t happy that they took him to Exeter for that egg and spoon race. That was just a pointless exercise and Tizzard claimed it was supposedly to help define his target at Cheltenham.
I felt that the Neptune was always the only race for Finian’s Oscar at Cheltenham and quite why they didn’t just target him for it and run in dedicated trials is a mystery to me. His best performance by far has been the Hereford race where he crushed the fancied Fry trained horse.
I have backed Finian’s Oscar for this race and considered having a saver on Neon Wolf at 10/1, but my confidence in the Tizzard horse at the time made me leave it alone. Neon Wolf looks “Wolfully” short for this now. He duffed Elgin up, but, as Stilvi says, the King horse is a little difficult to assess as a yardstick and Finian’s Oscar has seemingly been beating trees. The one factor is that the ex-pointer has the stamina and may leave the 2M form behind at Cheltenham over another 5F, he also, to be fair, hasn’t really ever been pushed seriously to date and is unexposed.
Stan James have Finian’s Oscar at 5/1 and NRNB, which would still be my pick, however I’m a good bit less confident, after hoping collateral form might see him half those odds on the day. However I would much rather take the 5/1 now, than take 9/4 Neon Wolf on the same terms with the same firm.
I feel Bacardys would be a good bit bigger if not coming from an Irish powerhouse trainer and I remain sceptical of this year’s Delloite, where Mullins had 21 of the initial 32 declared.
We had a balls-up at this year’s Oscars and I am hoping that my ante-post on Finian’s Oscar here doesn’t also end up in La La Land, or I may need to do a Moonlight Flit. For me the Best Picture will be Finian’s Oscar outstaying them up the hill.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Amazed Finian’s is 5-1. Thought he’d be about 2-1, Neon Wolf most overhyped horse at the festival.
Amazed Finian’s is 5-1. Thought he’d be about 2-1, Neon Wolf most overhyped horse at the festival.
Every horse finians oscar beat in the tolworth has been absolutely hammered since
Neon wolf blasted elgin by 9 lengths wthout really being asked, who subsequently finished 7 lengths ahead of capitaine in the following race
Finians beat capitaine by what 5 lengths? And he was all out at that
Neon wolf deserves to be 5/2 – 2/1
Finians should be 10/1 considering what the horses who finished behind him have done
We’ll see
Not saying finians cant win just saying his form hasnt stacked up well, but all he can have done is win and win he did
Monalee is Albert Bartlett bound.
De Bromhead feels added distance and better ground gives his fella serious chance of reversing places with Death DutyWhen was this decided? Last I heard Henry was saying the plan was to avoid Death Duty
That is what I was going on. Don’t think he will overturn the form with Death Duty but has chances in a Neptune.
Got a very uneasy feeling about this race. Three goes so far and been tempted in again.
Finian’s Oscar was my only runner but his form seems to take one knock after another. If you are on it is seemingly a case of praying that the step back up in trip is going to do the trick.
Neon Wolf’s very short price seems to be a triumph of hype over substance. Was that Haydock performance really that good? Is Elgin a great yardstick? Either way he is going to have to do more over a longer trip on ground that might be quicker than ideal.
I have added Messire Des Obeaux as he looks relatively solid but a similar case could easily be made for Monalee.
Finian’s Oscar vs Neon Wolf: first one is a very good horse, the other one is a class horse (visually more impressive, run in a better races than FO, which form worked out, clicked fast time in Supreme Trial with something left in hand)
Finian’s Oscar looks a bit to slow horse for Cheltenham and worrying is a fact that horses he has beat didn’t do much since. In my opinion Neon Wolf’s last performance was really good, you can see that even horse called Mohaayed, which finished 4th 15l behind the winner, came out and beat easily by 14l Volpone Jelois (OR 121), giving him weights. If ground will be on the soft side on the first day with no rain forecast, Neon Wolf should run in Supreme, he won’t face Charli Parcs, so it will be ‘easier race’ for him than Neptune.Amazed Finian’s is 5-1. Thought he’d be about 2-1, Neon Wolf most overhyped horse at the festival.
LOL the irony in that post is coming at me like
Got a very uneasy feeling about this race. Three goes so far and been tempted in again.
Finian’s Oscar was my only runner but his form seems to take one knock after another. If you are on it is seemingly a case of praying that the step back up in trip is going to do the trick.
Neon Wolf’s very short price seems to be a triumph of hype over substance. Was that Haydock performance really that good? Is Elgin a great yardstick? Either way he is going to have to do more over a longer trip on ground that might be quicker than ideal.
I have added Messire Des Obeaux as he looks relatively solid but a similar case could easily be made for Monalee.
Finian’s Oscar vs Neon Wolf: first one is a very good horse, the other one is a class horse (visually more impressive, run in a better races than FO, which form worked out, clicked fast time in Supreme Trial with something left in hand)
Finian’s Oscar looks a bit to slow horse for Cheltenham and worrying is a fact that horses he has beat didn’t do much since. In my opinion Neon Wolf’s last performance was really good, you can see that even horse called Mohaayed, which finished 4th 15l behind the winner, came out and beat easily by 14l Volpone Jelois (OR 121), giving him weights. If ground will be on the soft side on the first day with no rain forecast, Neon Wolf should run in Supreme, he won’t face Charli Parcs, so it will be ‘easier race’ for him than Neptune.You cant honestly think that charli parcs could beat neon wolf on any terms they meet on, he would gallop CP into submission
Got a very uneasy feeling about this race. Three goes so far and been tempted in again.
Finian’s Oscar was my only runner but his form seems to take one knock after another. If you are on it is seemingly a case of praying that the step back up in trip is going to do the trick.
Neon Wolf’s very short price seems to be a triumph of hype over substance. Was that Haydock performance really that good? Is Elgin a great yardstick? Either way he is going to have to do more over a longer trip on ground that might be quicker than ideal.
I have added Messire Des Obeaux as he looks relatively solid but a similar case could easily be made for Monalee.
Finian’s Oscar vs Neon Wolf: first one is a very good horse, the other one is a class horse (visually more impressive, run in a better races than FO, which form worked out, clicked fast time in Supreme Trial with something left in hand)
Finian’s Oscar looks a bit to slow horse for Cheltenham and worrying is a fact that horses he has beat didn’t do much since. In my opinion Neon Wolf’s last performance was really good, you can see that even horse called Mohaayed, which finished 4th 15l behind the winner, came out and beat easily by 14l Volpone Jelois (OR 121), giving him weights. If ground will be on the soft side on the first day with no rain forecast, Neon Wolf should run in Supreme, he won’t face Charli Parcs, so it will be ‘easier race’ for him than Neptune.You cant honestly think that charli parcs could beat neon wolf on any terms they meet on, he would gallop CP into submission
You cant honestly think that charli parcs could beat neon wolf on any terms they meet on, he would gallop CP into submission
On the soft/heavy ground I would go with Neon Wolf, on any other ground I wouldn’t have a bet. I think Neon Wolf showed us a bit more than Charli Parcs. They are both the best novice horses we have seen this year in GB, we will know more about Irish ones in a couple of weeks.
You cant honestly think that charli parcs could beat neon wolf on any terms they meet on, he would gallop CP into submission
On the soft/heavy ground I would go with Neon Wolf, on any other ground I wouldn’t have a bet. I think Neon Wolf showed us a bit more than Charli Parcs. They are both the best novice horses we have seen this year in GB, we will know more about Irish ones in a couple of weeks.
Very true. It’s hard with a lot of these Irish horses as they spend all winter running on bottomless ground and it’s difficult to access which ones are going to improve for the better ground. Windsor Park was a good example, although a bit easier to predict that
Lot of Finian’s Oscar bashing going on saying his form isn’t up to much but I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. The runner-up from Finian’s first win was only beaten the same distance in a Listed event next time out when the race didn’t suit, the third came out and beat a subsequent winner well and the fourth (beaten 22 lengths) has since finished just a length behind another subsequent winner. Admittedly nothing has come out from Sandown and run well but who’s to say that gruelling renewal didn’t leave a mark on finishers in behind which have since been running in Somme like conditions and then Taws was chucked in a quality mares event over 3 miles which she couldn’t possibly win.
neither are irish trained, Neon wolf also has form on gs he won easily…
Neon wolf is miles clear of CP at this stage, the form tells you so.You think that CP is one of the two best novices youv seen this year? On his two runs? he wouldnt place in the supreme, would be a performance to finish 5th in the triumph also
People are correctly crabbing the Tolworth form, but that is 2m form and he’s running over 2m 5, different kettle of fish.
Lot of Finian’s Oscar bashing going on saying his form isn’t up to much but I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. The runner-up from Finian’s first win was only beaten the same distance in a Listed event next time out when the race didn’t suit, the third came out and beat a subsequent winner well and the fourth (beaten 22 lengths) has since finished just a length behind another subsequent winner. Admittedly nothing has come out from Sandown and run well but who’s to say that gruelling renewal didn’t leave a mark on finishers in behind which have since been running in Somme like conditions and then Taws was chucked in a quality mares event over 3 miles which she couldn’t possibly win.
Not bashing finians, only saying that his form has not amounted to much, but all he can do is win and win he has
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