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Amazed Finian’s is 5-1. Thought he’d be about 2-1, Neon Wolf most overhyped horse at the festival.
Every horse finians oscar beat in the tolworth has been absolutely hammered since
Neon wolf blasted elgin by 9 lengths wthout really being asked, who subsequently finished 7 lengths ahead of capitaine in the following race
Finians beat capitaine by what 5 lengths? And he was all out at that
Neon wolf deserves to be 5/2 – 2/1
Finians should be 10/1 considering what the horses who finished behind him have done
I don’t think anyone seems to be questioning Neon Wolf’s stamina for Neptune. He did win a maiden point to point over 3 miles but the form of that half length win isn’t worth a bean, far less a hill of beans, in the context of a Cheltenham Championship race.
Neon Wolf did win over 2m2f at Exeter but he was 2/5F that day and the runner up Coole Cody is a 123 rated hurdler and the 3rd Kayf Venture, who did win a race later is also rated 123, so it wasn’t a true stamina test against modest horses on good to soft ground.
We can all predict that a horse is going to stay further, but until they have done it, you just cannot be sure, and at 5/2 I would expect that box to have been well ticked before the big race.
Finian’s Oscar has won at the Neptune trip, it might not have been the greatest race out at Hereford but at least the runner up is a 135 rated hurdler, getting on for a stone better than those Neon Wolf beat at Exeter. Looking back at that Hereford contest, Finian’s Oscar was travelling all over Acting Lass from a long way out. The jockey on the runner-up was probably wishing the winner has just been sent clear, so that he could stop knocking seven shades out of his own mount.
I would take the 10/1 if you are offering on Finian’s Oscar. Despite the poor collateral form, he remains unbeaten and he’s never had a proper race yet. The ATR report for the Tolworth notes that he won “Easily” despite being pushed out after an error.
Finian’s Oscar 5/1 each-way NRNB looks a lock investment in terms of risk to me, but you can never be certain in racing, that’s why I question Neon Wolf at half the odds, with stamina not yet rock solid.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Amazed Finian’s is 5-1. Thought he’d be about 2-1, Neon Wolf most overhyped horse at the festival.
Every horse finians oscar beat in the tolworth has been absolutely hammered since
Neon wolf blasted elgin by 9 lengths wthout really being asked, who subsequently finished 7 lengths ahead of capitaine in the following race
Finians beat capitaine by what 5 lengths? And he was all out at that
Neon wolf deserves to be 5/2 – 2/1
Finians should be 10/1 considering what the horses who finished behind him have done
I don’t think anyone seems to be questioning Neon Wolf’s stamina for Neptune. He did win a maiden point to point over 3 miles but the form of that half length win isn’t worth a bean, far less a hill of beans, in the context of a Cheltenham Championship race.
Neon Wolf did win over 2m2f at Exeter but he was 2/5F that day and the runner up Coole Cody is a 123 rated hurdler and the 3rd Kayf Venture, who did win a race later is also rated 123, so it wasn’t a true stamina test against modest horses on good to soft ground.
We can all predict that a horse is going to stay further, but until they have done it, you just cannot be sure, and at 5/2 I would expect that box to have been well ticked before the big race.
Finian’s Oscar has won at the Neptune trip, it might not have been the greatest race out at Hereford but at least the runner up is a 135 rated hurdler, getting on for a stone better than those Neon Wolf beat at Exeter. Looking back at that Hereford contest, Finian’s Oscar was travelling all over Acting Lass from a long way out. The jockey on the runner-up was probably wishing the winner has just been sent clear, so that he could stop knocking seven shades out of his own mount.
I would take the 10/1 if you are offering on Finian’s Oscar. Despite the poor collateral form, he remains unbeaten and he’s never had a proper race yet. The ATR report for the Tolworth notes that he won “Easily” despite being pushed out after an error.
Finian’s Oscar 5/1 each-way NRNB looks a lock investment in terms of risk to me, but you can never be certain in racing, that’s why I question Neon Wolf at half the odds, with stamina not yet rock solid.
Its a fair assessment,
Like i said all finians can do is win and win he has
And saying he should be 10/1 is purely based on how his form has stacked up, i think 5/1 is skinny for that, i have him on a few bets and will be happy if he can win/place
Although i do think neon wolf is on another levelId much prefer neon wolf in the supreme but they seem content on the neptune IF any atall
Just on Steve’s stamina point which is worth thinking about. Neon Wolf is half brother to Lake View Lad and the dam is from the family of Baron Blakeney and Grey Baron. You would think he would be okay but it isn’t a given.
Two other possible negatives. This was a rare point winner for Patrick Mullins. With money no object why didn’t they buy him? He certainly looks the part. Of course he might just have made a mistake.
He is by Vinnie Roe who is very much a second division sire. His best horse is Claret Cloak on a pretty dubious 158 but there is a distinct shortage of top class runners. More horses out run their pedigrees over jumps than on the flat, is this another one?
Yesterday on ITV Racing Fry pointed the horse in the direction of the Neptune. On the basis of that it seems very strange that over the last 24 hours there is a heap of blue on oddschecker, for the Supreme!
Just on Steve’s stamina point which is worth thinking about. Neon Wolf is half brother to Lake View Lad and the dam is from the family of Baron Blakeney and Grey Baron. You would think he would be okay but it isn’t a given.
Two other possible negatives. This was a rare point winner for Patrick Mullins. With money no object why didn’t they buy him? He certainly looks the part. Of course he might just have made a mistake.
He is by Vinnie Roe who is very much a second division sire. His best horse is Claret Cloak on a pretty dubious 158 but there is a distinct shortage of top class runners. More horses out run their pedigrees over jumps than on the flat, is this another one?
Yesterday on ITV Racing Fry pointed the horse in the direction of the Neptune. On the basis of that it seems very strange that over the last 24 hours there is a heap of blue on oddschecker, for the Supreme!
given how he has ran over around 2m, I do find it increasingly strange that they are so sure that further is the answer at this stage. but needless to say wether its Neptune or supreme ill be backing him.
interesting that he’s being backed for the supreme after fry’s comments though.neither are irish trained, Neon wolf also has form on gs he won easily…
Neon wolf is miles clear of CP at this stage, the form tells you so.You think that CP is one of the two best novices youv seen this year? On his two runs? he wouldnt place in the supreme, would be a performance to finish 5th in the triumph also
You might be right about CHP, cos he was disappointing on his last start, time will show how he will progress (if not regress). Neon Wolf is a good thing (not proven stamina, should run in opener, but H Fry knows better what the best race for him) You you were handicapper, what marks (OR) would you give Neon Wolf and Charli Parcs at this stage? Question for everybody.
Neon wolf is 148 just now which i think at this stage is about right.
Wouldnt like to guess about CP but it wouldnt be over 140 yet anyway, havent seen enough yet
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Fair play for saying that Judge – so many people nail their colours to the mast and then refuse to do a u turn under any circumstances. I am going through the same thing with Yanworth. More I look at it the more I think he is a good thing.
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Fair play for saying that Judge – so many people nail their colours to the mast and then refuse to do a u turn under any circumstances. I am going through the same thing with Yanworth. More I look at it the more I think he is a good thing.
That’s bullshit, and don’t even bother trying to convince me otherwise.
neither are irish trained, Neon wolf also has form on gs he won easily…
Neon wolf is miles clear of CP at this stage, the form tells you so.You think that CP is one of the two best novices youv seen this year? On his two runs? he wouldnt place in the supreme, would be a performance to finish 5th in the triumph also
You might be right about CHP, cos he was disappointing on his last start, time will show how he will progress (if not regress). Neon Wolf is a good thing (not proven stamina, should run in opener, but H Fry knows better what the best race for him) You you were handicapper, what marks (OR) would you give Neon Wolf and Charli Parcs at this stage? Question for everybody.
Has Ham just said it would surprise him if Charli Parcs finished in the top 5 in the Triumph?
Based on how he ran the last time, if he runs similar, with a very poor pre coming into the race, yes thats what im saying, im not saying hes not talented enough to win a triumph, but his regressed performance along with the poor prep going into the triumph im absolutey staggered there running him
So yes under those circumstances only is why i think he will end up down the pack, happy enough to stick by that comment with these reasons
If im wrong im wrong, but ill stick by my reasons for taking that point of view
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Fair play for saying that Judge – so many people nail their colours to the mast and then refuse to do a u turn under any circumstances. I am going through the same thing with Yanworth. More I look at it the more I think he is a good thing.
That’s bullshit, and don’t even bother trying to convince me otherwise.
What sort of response is that? It’s not BS at all, I’d say it’s a standard comment. People do become attached to horses and support them unwilling to do a u turn based on facts. I see little to no point trying to convince you Zark, you are all knowing aren’t you.
Haha I just meant that Ham is right that at this stage Neon Wolf looks better on the paper than Charli Parcs. Well, If CHP fells again, he won’t finish in the top 5, but if stays on his feet will win (or get placed), definitely he will beat Master Blue Eyes even if miracle happens and Master Blue Eyes will run to his alleged mark 150. CHP on his first start for Nicky Henderson run to very solid (not questionable) mark 140, but shaped like 150+ horse, that’s why I think he is one of the best novices we have seen this year. If CHP hasn’t been running in Adonis, almost everybody would agree with me and he would be short fav for both Supreme and Triumph. I am not saying he is already a superstar, but he has a chance to be a decent horse in future.
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Fair play for saying that Judge – so many people nail their colours to the mast and then refuse to do a u turn under any circumstances. I am going through the same thing with Yanworth. More I look at it the more I think he is a good thing.
That’s bullshit, and don’t even bother trying to convince me otherwise.
You’ve been far too abrasive recently, Zarkava. Many people do stick with a horse as stated above, often being hypocritical or contradictory in the process
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charlie87 wrote:thejudge1 wrote:
Have backed Finian’s but seriously worried about Neon Wolf. Think now that my earlier comment about Neon Wolf being overrated was a load of nonsense. Seen the videos of him and looks really good, travels well and excellent jumper.
Just that was expecting Finian’s to be a lot shorter at this point, so happy with 5-1. Neon’s might go for the supreme which would open this race up.
Fair play for saying that Judge – so many people nail their colours to the mast and then refuse to do a u turn under any circumstances. I am going through the same thing with Yanworth. More I look at it the more I think he is a good thing.
That’s bullshit, and don’t even bother trying to convince me otherwise.
I suspect we have the deployment of weapons-grade irony here…
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