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    Avatar photoHimself
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    I’m aware that no 3 year old filly has won this race since French trained Pawneese in 1976.

    Great 3 year old fillies such as Sun Princess and Oh So Sharp have valiantly tried but failed – both to an older horse.

    John Gosden is the only man to have trained a 3 year old winner of the race this in the last ten years, so here’s hoping he can emulate that feat today – only this time with his star filly.

    Taghrooda for me :)

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    #486476
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    Pricewise has put up Eagle Top.

    To quote ‘the fact connections have forked out £75,000 to supplement him is a sure indication Gosden wasn’t telling them he didn’t think he could beat Taghrooda and Romsdal.’

    Really? Well according to one of his interviews it was the intention to supplement straight after Royal Ascot. At that stage it was huge odds against Taghrooda running. Once confirmed was he really going to say to Lady Bamford don’t bother stumping up as Taghrooda’s got this in the bag?

    I suspect Lady Bamford didn’t struggle to find £75,000

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    That is a good point.

    For those who don’t know, her husband is the JCB magnate Sir Anthony Bamford and his father’s initials form the company name.

    As of 2012, his wealth was estimated at £3.1

    billion

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #486480
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    That isn’t to say she can’t win because there is nothing in the field that stands out as likely to both appreciate a softer surface and have the required level of form.

    There appears to be an assumption that the softer surface is in favour of both Eagle Top and Romsdal. So far the formbook doesn’t bear that out. By some distance both have recorded their best efforts on a quicker surface.

    Agree that both Eagle Top and Romsdal have put up their very best performances to date on good-firm Stilvi. Point is, good-soft is not certain to favour

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    horse in this race and it is a matter of how likely each horse is of being inconvenienced. In my opinion Eagle Top and Romsdal are the

    least likely

    runners to be inconvenienced by good-soft (ran well on it in the past (although improved since)). They are arguably also the two who will be most "favoured" by a stamina test and therefore the softer the ground the more stamina comes in to play. However…

    …I do not understand the "pacemaker" for Trading Leather. For one thing Leitir Mor is a miler, secondly the Godolphin horse likes to be up there anyway (might inconvenience their own horse) and thirdly Trading Leather will be less suited by a strongly run race than Telescope, Eagle Top and (to a certain degree) Taghrooda. Will the pacemaker make a good pace or a slow one? Mukhadram also likes to be up there but he’s not sure to stay, so a strongly run and/or give in the ground are not certain to suit. It won’t be in his best interests to make it a good test. Will the Haggas horse even race prominently? Change of tactics perhaps to "get the trip". May be Romsdal will race prominently, as he has no chance of beating these for pace. Something will probably go on, but imo it’s not as certain as I’ve heard in the Press.

    Magician is a hold up horse with his very best performances to date on a firm surface, although ran reasonably on good-soft at Chester.
    All of Telescope’s best form is on a firm surface. Will probably be ok on good, but only "probably". Expect him to race mid-div.
    Taghrooda is yet to run on a soft surface and connections were worried about Epsom when it looked as if it would race on the soft side. Expect her to track pace.

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    #486495
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    Princess Margaret time suggests it is no softer than genuinely good ground. Not good-soft.

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    #486509
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    Mighty performance from Taghroooda. Well done Steve, once again you were right on the button.

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    She is awesome!!!! What a filly! Arc here we come!

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Well the ground dried out and I don’t think the end result could reasonably be used as an excuse for any of the vanquished.

    On this ground Taghrooda confirmed again that she is very good. The draw was such that she had to sit a little further back than possibly ideal but when she began to pick up the result wasn’t really in doubt and she eventually won with more than a degree of authority.

    It would be lovely to think she could do the same again in the Arc but that race is a long way off and conditions might be significantly different. A nice break and the easiest prep race they can find would be my way of thinking. Gosden was quoted as saying that the owner doesn’t like travelling his horses so hopefully that rules out the Vermeille.

    #486530
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    I’m aware that no 3 year old filly has won this race since French trained Pawneese in 1976.

    Great 3 year old fillies such as Sun Princess and Oh So Sharp have valiantly tried but failed – both to an older horse.

    John Gosden is the only man to have trained a 3 year old winner of the race this in the last ten years, so here’s hoping he can emulate that feat today – only this time with his star filly.

    Taghrooda for me :)

    Well done on picking the winner but Oh So Sharp was beaten by a fellow three year old, Petoski.

    Taghrooda was mightily impressive today; connections suggest that the Yorkshire Oaks, which would surely be no more than the proverbial penalty kick, is next on the agenda. A clash with Treve, Australia and Sea The Moon in the Arc is a mouthwatering prospect.

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    She certainly travels with ease just like her dad did.

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    #486599
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    A shimmering perfomance from Taghrooda. Could well turn out to be the british equivalent of Zarkava. Australia will be the acid test.

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    Mighty performance from Taghroooda. Well done Steve, once again you were right on the button.

    Thanks IB, I am not sure Taghrooda has really got the credit she deserves for her performances this year. The Oaks form was cribbed pretty quickly and Taghrooda was a market drifter going into that race. After the early money for her in The King George she was pretty weak in the betting and looking at the Oddschecker tip box for the race there were six tips for Telescope, four for Eagle Top, others dotted around and a grand total of ZERO tips for Taghrooda.

    Perhaps people like to just follow the history of the race and rule a filly out because few of them win the race but Taghrooda was the best winner of the Oaks for some time in my opinion. She has a wonderful, relaxed attitude and she finishes her races strongly. In my opinion she has looked a more exciting prospect at this stage of the season than Treve did last year. Of course Treve went on to blow away an Arc field and sent a frenzy of excitement around the world afterwards. Taghrooda’s reception has been more of a polite ripple of applause by comparison and her odds for Arc glory varied from 3/1 to 7/1 after yesterday’s race, indicating that she still hasn’t convinced everyone yet. The 7/1 is gone now and 5/1 is the best price.

    The Arc has some intriguing elements this season with runaway German Derby winner Sea The Moon in the mix, along with Derby winner Australia and last season’s impressive winner Treve on a recovery mission after some disappointments. Romsdal was third to Australia at Epsom, beaten 4 and a half lengths. Whatever way you wish to interpret his run yesterday the record books now show he was 23 lengths behind Taghrooda. Australia fans will be hoping something was amiss with Romsdal!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #486603
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    Well done on picking the winner but Oh So Sharp was beaten by a fellow three year old, Petoski.

    My mistake, sorry :oops: – which proves, if nothing else, that I was working from memory ( albeit slightly skewed ) rather than googling.

    I remember the race quite vividly – for the wrong reasons. I hammered into Oh So Sharp that day ; she was one of my pre flat season picks in the Scottish Racing Club’s tipster competition that year ( 1985 ), in which I finished a creditable third . Yes, the shrewd Major Hern and wee Willie Carson managed to upset more than a few people as their 3 year colt, Petoski, managed to get the better of Henry Cecil’s great filly.

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    A shimmering perfomance from Taghrooda. Could well turn out to be the british equivalent of Zarkava.

    Australia will be the acid test

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    Interesting you say that about Australia. He is actually 2 to 3 times the odds of Taghrooda for The Arc now, while Treve has be pushed out to 7/1 by Corals.

    It is amazing to think that you could have backed Taghrooda at 20/1, 33/1 and 8/1 for three of her wins so far and also be sitting on her at 50/1 for the Arc as well. :shock:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #486744
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    I have a racing buff friend who insists that 3yo’s never return to top form (that year) after a big run in the KG.

    #486770
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    I have a racing buff friend who insists that 3yo’s never return to top form (that year) after a big run in the KG.

    Well I would settle for Taghrooda deteriorating as much as the likes of Mill Reef and Lammtarra.

    #486773
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    I remember the race quite vividly – for the wrong reasons. I hammered into Oh So Sharp that day ; she was one of my pre flat season picks in the Scottish Racing Club’s tipster competition that year ( 1985 ), in which I finished a creditable third . Yes, the shrewd Major Hern and wee Willie Carson managed to upset more than a few people as their 3 year colt, Petoski, managed to get the better of Henry Cecil’s great filly.

    I was at Ascot that day and remember the build-up surrounding Strawberry Road, Law Society and others. I’m convinced that Oh So Sharp didn’t let herself down on the firm ground- she had sluiced up from the mighty Triptych in the Oaks and showed a powerful round action that day; at Ascot, she was far more scratchy.

    #486791
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    Just wonder why magician and trading leather didn’t run up to form. No doubt trading leather will run his usual gutsy race in the juddmonte and magician will be readied for the breeders cup where he may well face telescope.

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