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Just wonder why magician and trading leather didn’t run up to form. No doubt trading leather will run his usual gutsy race in the juddmonte and magician will be readied for the breeders cup where he may well face telescope.
What makes you think they didn’t run to form?
Both were weak in the betting in the build up to the race and neither of them had really been that impressive this year. At least three, if not all four of the horses who finished ahead of them have been making improvement this year and, conceding weight, it would have taken a career best from either horse to win the race.
As I said before the race I am not sure 1 and a half miles is Magician’s best trip. It was interesting that one of the commentators on channel 4 said that the 12f at Santa Anita on fast ground probably equated to more like 10f on a UK track in Saturday’s conditions. I think Magician is entered in the Juddmonte but it may be difficult for him with Australia also in the mix for that one.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I post from my own perspective, not anyone else’s. I’m on at 2/1 and absolutely gutted Taghrooda is running because it would otherwise have been a point and steer for Ryan, now I’m not so sure.
I’ll lay the pair of the favourites,neither will win.
Not afraid of Taghrooda then Gord?
Unbeaten Classic winner in the fastest run Oaks since 1993. Last three runs rated 89, 103 and 118. Stayed on well at the trip last time and gets lumps of weight here.
I think it would be rash to assume she won’t improve again.
If she found 7lbs further, after going up 14 and 15 last two starts, she would be rated 125
and, getting 15lbs, an older horse would have to put in one hell of a run to concede the weight.
I thought 5/1 was a big price and have stepped in. She’ll never owe me a penny after the Oaks but I hope she can do the business again.
Taghrooda has been rated 125 by the BHA handicapper and Timeform have rated her 130p.
The general expectation for the Timeform small "p" is a potential further 5lbs of improvement to come. Strangely the Timeform author thinks it is unlikely that Taghrooda will improve the full 5lbs because that would take her past Treve and her rating of 134
There seems to be an element here keen to crib Taghrooda and her form and cast doubt on her chance in the Arc. Sixteen of the last twenty Arc winners were three years old and fillies have come to the fore in recent times. There is plenty to like about her chances with the doubts being very soft going and perhaps her jockey leaving her a bit much to do on foreign soil.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Most frustrating aspect is backing Telescope before the filly was given the green light late on, if not he wins by a short head and jobs a good one!
Most frustrating aspect is backing Telescope before the filly was given the green light late on, if not he wins by a short head and jobs a good one!
Would he have won by a short head though JJMSports without Taghrooda in the race?
Have you watched Back To The Future? Change things and things occur differently in the future. I’m a fan of Dane O’Neill but who’s to say the Hanagan wouldn’t have got a touch more out of Mukhadram having ridden him every time he’s run before.
Would Telecope have managed to beat Mukhadram by further if Moore didn’t have one eye out for Taghrooda?Who knows? But it’s a different race without one of the main protagonists in it.
In any event with Taghrooda not in the field whether Telescope would have still beaten Mukhadram or the opposite occurred it’s highly unlikely the winning distance would have been a short head.
In hindsight winning the oaks,King George and Yorkshire oaks is a big ask hence the reason very few have been able to do it far less attempt it. Taghrooda could well bounce back from it but tapestry must now come into calculation for the 12f group ones. Ballydoyle weren’t sure if she stayed but her Irish oaks run surely showed she did. Amazing she won as she did given her frame but the form is rock solid to me and the best horse won. I do agree that she’s needs to follow this up with say the Vermailles to be a contender for the arc although the breeders cup is being mooted for her.
Coolmore rarely run their G1 fillies against
the colts maybe with Australia looking to stay
at 10f they’ll have a change of policy.Breeders cup fillies and mares looks tailor made for her and hopefully she’s stays in training. Only ran 7 times and if her form at York is to be taken at face value then she is very exciting to look forward to.
Tagrooda may not win again this year.She gave maximum effort in the KGVI and emptied in the DYO when faced with the Ballydoyle challenge.Had she not run in the KG she would have easily fended off Tapestry.Just my opinion.
Both horses next races will tell us if taghrooda had a bad day at the office or if tapestry is a rapidly improving filly. Horses are not machines and have off days like all of us.
Don’t think enough was made of the jockey on Tapestry, think he was a very significant factor in her victory. If he had ridden Taghrooda I believe she would have won.
No criticism of Hanagan but there are not many if any on a par with Moore.
Irrelevant of the jockey tapestry improved something like8to 10 pounds from her previous race. Funny how no one has mentioned the role aiden obrien had with the win. Not only a great training performance but the very long and animated conversation they had in the paddock showed that ballydoyle were expecting a big run and had the tactics ready. Aiden also said that Joseph was central to the discussions regarding how to ride the race.was a super ride by Moore. All those who moan about Joseph obrien should realise what a hard gig riding for ballydoyle is and why Ryan Moore has got the ideal set up in getting great horses to ride without all the effort and stress the team at ballydoyle go though. Bet he would love to ride Australia.
Hi Stilv Remember what I said about three year old’s not recovering from the KG ?
Of course and I said on another thread (although I expected her to win it) that running in the King George could severely jeopardise the rest of her season. I hope not but it now looks a distinct possibility.
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