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    Tomorrow’s contest at Market Rasen is the first Class 2 this season and simply put, is the Triumph Hurdle of those seen thus far as it features the top three rated juveniles in Hilali, Halogen and King’s Wharf. Newcomers Dont Take Me Alive and Rosie’s Lady have top class horses on the dam side but their sires, Araafa and Elusive City, only have one hurdle winner apiece and those wins came in sellers.

    Rosie’s Lady 4/2

    Stage Affair

    2nd Champion Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2001
    Dont Take Me Alive 4/2

    Royal Gait

    1st Champion Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1992*
    Halogen 2/1

    Ambobo

    1st Classic Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Cheltenham 2005**
    Adili 4/3

    Spirit Of Adjisa

    1st Champion Novice Hurdle, Punchestown 2011
    Dalmo 1/1

    Pigeon Island

    1st Dovecote Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Kempton 2008
    King’s Wharf 3/2

    Father Sky

    1st Classic Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Uttoxeter 1995
    Grand Gold 1/1

    Buddy Holly

    3rd Novices’ Hurdle, Towcester 2011
    Outback 2/1

    Helensburgh

    1st 3YO Hurdle, Punchestown 2004
    Snowed In 3/2

    So Precious

    1st Juvenile Hurdle, Fakenham 2000
    Saffa Hill 2/1

    Treeko

    2nd Novices’ Hurdle, Sedgefield 2009
    Hilali 3/2

    Naughty By Nature

    1st Handicap Hurdle (96), Bangor 2009

    *Dont Take Me Alive is also 3/2 with Contraband
    **Halogen’s dam is useful hurdler Trompette

    Sires


    Dalmo – Dalakhani (4)
    Hilali – Sakhee (4)
    Adili – Dubai Destination (3)
    Saffa Hill – Tiger Hill (3)
    Halogen – Halling (1)
    Grand Gold – Librettist (1)

    #414456
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    Looks like a really interesting contest at this stage. I think Hilali will take a bit of beating.

    #414537
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    Thanks again Bachelors; although I’ve always had a soft spot for the 3 yr-old hurdlers (they don’t knwo that they’re right at the bottom of the pile, they try as hard as the rest)I’ve never kept such a close eye on them. It’s been fascinating to watch the season slowly develop and the Hilali/Halogen clash has the feel of a title match.

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    A really good attitude from the winner there – that must put him straight to the top of the list of juveniles seen out so far.

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    Thank you for reading, Befair. Keeping this thread up has encouraged me to watch the juveniles more avidly than I would have done.

    It was slightly disappointing to see Halogen lose the race near enough at the start but the form at the finish looks absolutely solid. Grand Gold should clearly be excused his last run at the track as he’s since improved on the flat and has pretty much ran to form on his Ffos Las running with King’s Wharf. It is a bit of a curiosity as to how Fine Resolve hasn’t ran fantastically since but it’s probable that King’s Wharf and Grand Gold have since improved. Gary Brown’s charge does come out best at the weights so all hail King Hilali. Let’s see how long he will reign for.

    The order of things amongst Ireland’s juveniles is much cloudier and tomorrow’s maiden at Clonmel threatens to muggy up the scene some more although perhaps one of the newcomers will improve dramatically from the flat…

    Hurricane Sky 3/1

    Khayrawani

    1st Coral Cup (144 G3), Cheltenham 1999
    Wot A Shot 2/1

    Mistinguett

    1st Cleeve Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1998 *
    South South West 3/4

    What’s The Verdict

    2nd Champion Novice Hurdle (G2), Punch ’97
    Ice Ice Baby 1/1

    Veiled

    3rd Coral Cup (137), Cheltenham 2012
    Everything Zain 2/2

    Fnan

    3rd Champion Stayers Hurdle (G1), Punchestown 2002
    Magical Moon 2/2

    Bagber

    3rd AON Hurdle, Punchestown 2011
    Bigearsonmyright 2/1

    Tashtikar

    1st Prix Achille-Fould (Listed), Auteuil 2005
    Danequest 3/1

    Valedictory

    1st Handicap Hurdle (122), Kelso 1999
    Shabra Emperor 4/3

    Corniche

    2nd Handicap Hurdle (115), Uttoxeter 2000**
    Porterman 3/2

    Hill Fairy

    1st Mares Handicap Hurdle (99), Cork 2008
    Naughty 4/1

    First Stage

    2nd Handicap Hurdle, Bellewstown 1992

    *Mistinguett was also 2nd in her Triumph
    **Corniche was also 13th in his Triumph

    Sires


    Porterman – Barathea (7)
    Everything Zain – Cape Cross (4)
    Magical Moon – Dansili (2)
    Bigearsonmyright – Mujahid (1)

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    A really good attitude from the winner there – that must put him straight to the top of the list of juveniles seen out so far.

    I still make Hilali on top of the pile given the weight concession. If memory serves, I think that Hilali made a few sketchy jumps which cost him a few more lengths whereas Grand Gold jumped cleanly. The replay’s coming back up in a moment though so I’ll see if this view’s confirmed.

    I do agree though that the winner’s attitude was fantastic and he still has scope for further improvement. One can imagine seeing him contest the Wensleydale next month.

    I must apologise by the way for accidentally omitting Poetic Power from the list of hurdlers to come. What’s the latest on him?

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    I must apologise by the way for accidentally omitting Poetic Power from the list of hurdlers to come. What’s the latest on him?

    Ian is really pleased with his progress. He’s done some schooling indoors and will school over hurdles outdoors for the first time this week.

    We’re still tentatively looking at Warwick in the first week of November for his hurdles debut mainly because that’s one of our local tracks.

    Needless to say I’ve already worked out a campaign which includes a triumph hurdle trial at Cheltenham :lol:

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    Excellent stuff Tuffers. Cheers for that :D

    I’m glad to hear of his progress. It’s a bit of a shame that he won’t be running at Ludlow next week as I could have been tempted to offer a pint as a token of gratitude for the information. Still, I’m sure I’ll get an opportunity in the spring when Poetic Power attempts to complete the Triumph/Aintree double :lol:

    Tomorrow at Bangor will see the long awaited debut of Donald McCain’s well bred Right To Rule who first appeared on this thread after he passed through the sales ring back in July. The ex William Haggas gelding has already missed four possible engagements but now we’ll get a chance to see if it was 40,000gns well spent. He faces a fair examination on his hurdles bow against the likes of Sedgefield runner up Kealshore Again, Ian William’s Cool Hand Luke, another likeable newcomer in My Guardian Angel and Tim Vaughan’s Alborz who will be looking to leave his Market Rasen run behind him after a win at Ffos Las. Despite the small field, it should prove a nicely informative contest.

    Right To Rule 1/1

    Simenon

    3rd Champion Novice Hurdle, Punchestown 2012*
    Alborz 1/1

    Hunterview

    1st Scottish County Hurdle (130), Musselburgh 2011
    Kealshore Again 4/3

    Balanak

    1st Dovecote Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Kempton 1995
    Khatella 2/1 Tora Bora 126 1st Handicap Hurdle (118), Ascot 2008
    My Guardian Angel 4/2

    Seasonal Splendour

    Maiden Hurdle, Newton Abbot 1995
    Rapid Heat Lad 1/1

    Reaching Out

    2nd Handicap Hurdle (101), Gowran Park 2008
    Cool Hand Luke 2/1

    Furness

    2nd Juvenile Hurdle, Newcastle 2000

    *Right To Rule is also 2/2 with Aigle D’Or

    Sires

    Right To Rule – Rock Of Gibraltar (7)
    Alborz – Dubai Destination (3)
    Khatella – Generous (3)
    Cool Hand Luke – Le Vie Dei Colori (2)

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    Excellent stuff Tuffers. Cheers for that :D

    I’m glad to hear of his progress. It’s a bit of a shame that he won’t be running at Ludlow next week as I could have been tempted to offer a pint as a token of gratitude for the information. Still, I’m sure I’ll get an opportunity in the spring when Poetic Power attempts to complete the Triumph/Aintree double :lol:

    I’ve just watched Poetic Power have his first schooling session outside and I haven’t put a line through the Cheltenham race yet :wink:

    He may also run this month now rather than waiting for Warwick.

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    Tomorrow at Bangor will see the long awaited debut of Donald McCain’s well bred Right To Rule who first appeared on this thread after he passed through the sales ring back in July. The ex William Haggas gelding has already missed four possible engagements but now we’ll get a chance to see if it was 40,000gns well spent. He faces a fair examination on his hurdles bow against the likes of Sedgefield runner up Kealshore Again, Ian William’s Cool Hand Luke, another likeable newcomer in My Guardian Angel and Tim Vaughan’s Alborz who will be looking to leave his Market Rasen run behind him after a win at Ffos Las. Despite the small field, it should prove a nicely informative contest.

    I’m told that Cool Hand Luke’s jumping shouldn’t hold him back today. Whether he’s good enough to beat the likes of Right to Rule is a different matter though.

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    I’ve just watched Poetic Power have his first schooling session outside and I haven’t put a line through the Cheltenham race yet :wink:

    He may also run this month now rather than waiting for Warwick.

    I see he isn’t entered up at Ludlow next week. I suppose it’s too early in the season to be destroying Moidore’s confidence just yet :D

    I’m told that Cool Hand Luke’s jumping shouldn’t hold him back today. Whether he’s good enough to beat the likes of Right to Rule is a different matter though.

    I’m not really sure what to make of today’s race to be honest. On the form of his Lingfield win where he had winners Ctappers, Foster’s Road and Dalmo in behind, Rapid Heat Lad was entitled to win a race of his own at some juncture. I just didn’t see him winning today, least not by 13 lengths. Just with Hilali (although in reverse fashion), the change of tactics seems to have done him the world of good although to be fair, he seemed to have simply run this lot ragged.

    Anywhom, it’s been a hectic day so apologies for posting the pedigrees later than usual. I’ve not had a great look at tomorrow’s Fontwell lot but dual course and distance runner up Feb Thirtyfirst looks of interest. Irish transfer Southfork brings an intriguing dimension whilst Ballyheigue gets an opportunity to redeem himself for his Newton Abbot disappointment.

    Chankillo 2/2

    Rhinestone Cowboy

    3rd Champion Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2003*
    Annaluna 3/2

    Atlaal

    2nd Gerry Feilden Hurdle (G2), Newbury 1990
    Ballyheigue 3/4

    Degas Art

    3rd 4-y-o Novices Hurdle (G1), Aintree 2007
    Southfork 4/1

    Wemyss Quest

    1st Novices Hurdle, Cheltenham 2001
    Feb Thirtyfirst 1/1

    Crookhaven

    7th Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2007
    Whipcrackaway 1/1

    Louisville Lip

    3rd Novice’s Handicap Hurdle (116), Fairyhouse 2011
    Redclue 2/1

    First Stage

    2nd Handicap Hurdle, Bellewstown 1992
    Fine Resolve 2/1

    Cemgraft

    2nd Mares Novices Hurdle, Fontwell 2006

    Chankillo is also 2/1 with Rare Holiday, winner of the 1990 Triumph

    Sires


    Ballyheigue – High Chaparral (13)
    Southfork – Nayef (3)
    Chankillo – Observatory (1)
    Annaluna – Whipper (1)
    Whipcrackaway – Whipper (1)

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    I’m not really sure what to make of today’s race to be honest. On the form of his Lingfield win where he had winners Ctappers, Foster’s Road and Dalmo in behind, Rapid Heat Lad was entitled to win a race of his own at some juncture. I just didn’t see him winning today, least not by 13 lengths. Just with Hilali (although in reverse fashion), the change of tactics seems to have done him the world of good although to be fair, he seemed to have simply run this lot ragged.

    I think people seriously underestimate how much energy these hurdlers use up if they slow down approaching a hurdle and then have to speed up again between hurdles. Any horse which can just maintain the same speed both before and after the hurdles has a real advantage in these contests. That’s why you can see the form change so much in these early juvenile races.

    Personally I favour the ‘start slowly and creep into the race’ approach but as Rapid Heat Lad showed yesterday, if you bounce a horse out and keep up an even pace, the others in behind will struggle to get to you if their jumping doesn’t hold up.

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    Good observation. I’ll keep my eye out for more of the same.

    Just as last week, we had Britain’s "Hitherto Triumph", tomorrow’s contest can probably be regarded as the Irish equivalent since it features top rated Top Man Michael and Gordon Elliot’s promising Fisher. Also, Willie Mullins brandishes his first juvenile of the year although to be honest, she’ll have to step up markedly on her flat form to get involved.

    Una Veintena 2/1

    Clear Riposte

    2nd Prix Alain Du Breil (G1), Auteuil 2006
    Top Man Micheal 3/4

    Divers

    2nd Novices Hurdle, Musselburgh 2009
    Crouching Harry 2/1

    Train Of Thought

    1st 4YO Hurdle, Galway 2012
    Fisher 2/3

    Rathkenny

    1st Handicap Hurdle (103), Limerick 2006
    Boss’s Star 2/1

    Fingal Rock

    1st GSB Hurdle (G3), Fairyhouse 2010
    Spunky 2/1

    Windermere

    1st Maiden Hurdle, Naas 2004

    Sires

    Boss’s Star – Barathea (7)
    Crouching Harry – Tiger Hill (3)
    Spunky – Invincible Spirit (3)
    Top Man Micheal – Antonius Pius (1)

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    Kelso

    Van Mildert 4/2

    Landing Light

    1st Championship Hurdle (G1), Sandown 2001
    Greyhope 2/1

    Davoski

    2nd Dovecote Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Kempton 1999
    One Million 2/1

    Lethan Weapon

    1st Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2010
    Red Tyke 3/1

    Mytton’s Choice

    2nd Tote Silver Trophy (129), Chepstow 1996
    Fine Kingdom 4/1

    Souabe

    2nd Prix Jacques d’Indy (G3), Auteuil 1983
    Reckless Romeo 2/1

    Abstinence

    1st Novice Hurdle, Wetherby 2008
    Altnaharra dam

    Gargoyle Girl

    1st Handicap Hurdle (100), Perth 2004
    Forster Street 2/1

    Easy Wonder

    3rd Conditions Hurdle, Dundalk 1995
    Asteroid Belt 2/1

    Blue Streak

    1st Claiming Hurdle, Plumpton 2003
    Captain Baldwin 3/1

    Reedling

    3rd Juvenile Hurdle, Fontwell 1988

    Sires

    One Million – Dubai Destination (3)
    Forster Street – Acclamation (3)
    Captain Baldwin – Dubai Destination (3)
    Fine Kingdom – King’s Best (2)
    Van Mildert – Observatory (1)
    Altnaharra – Halling (1)

    Huntingdon

    There’s No Rules 3/2

    Elusive Dream

    1st Mersey Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Aintree 2008
    Sleepy Lucy 4/1

    Grand Seigneur

    1st Summit Junior Hurdle (G2), Lingfield 1999
    Scarborough Rock 2/1

    Siberian Tiger

    2nd bet365.com Hurdle (Listed), Sandown 2010
    Castalian Spring 4/3

    Ela Agapi Mou

    1st Handicap Hurdle (126), Newbury 1998
    Outback 2/1

    Helensburgh

    1st 3YO Hurdle, Punchestown 2004
    Juno The Muffinman 1/1

    Know The Law

    124 3rd Hcp Hurdle (119), Kempton 2009*
    Venetian View 2/3

    Dancera

    3rd Mares Novices’ Hurdle (G3), Down Royal 2008
    Bountiful Catch 3/1

    Ermine Sea

    2nd Maiden Hurdle, Fontwell 2009
    Khazium 2/2

    Fongoli

    4th Wensleydale Juvenile Hurdle, Wetherby 2009
    Operation Tracer 2/2

    Quilip

    9th Junior Bumper, Southwell 2010

    *Juno The Muffinman also 3/1 Hawkes Run

    Sires

    Operation Tracer – Rock Of Gibraltar (7)
    Khazium – Kheleyf (1)

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    Titus Star 3/2

    Howle Hill

    3rd Elite Hurdle (142 G2), Wincanton 2004*
    Linton Hill 2/2

    Star Wood

    2nd Grimes Hurdle (G3), Tipperary 2007
    Rano Pano 3/3

    Quartino

    1st Grade C Handicap Hurdle (114), Listowel 2008
    Miss Conduct 5/4

    Power Pack

    1st Navan Races Hurdle, Navan 1995
    Eightfold 1/1

    Ultimate

    3rd Scottish County Hurdle (129), Musselburgh 2011**
    Dropzone 2/1

    Mississippi River

    1st Maiden Hurdle, Fairyhouse 2011***
    Haymarket 2/1

    Red Wine

    9th Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2003
    Snowed In 3/2

    So Precious

    1st Juvenile Hurdle, Fakenham 2000
    Cool Hand Luke 2/1

    Furness

    2nd Juvenile Hurdle, Newcastle 2000

    *Howle hill also 5th in Triumph
    **Eightfold also 2/1 with Demi Beau and Wellbeing
    ***Dropzone also 2/2 with Dabiroun

    Sires


    Linton Hill – Tiger Hill (3)
    Cool Hand Luke – Le Vie Dei Colori (2)
    Titus Star – Titus Livius (1)
    Miss Conduct – Overbury (1)
    Haymarket – Singspiel (1)

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    It’s early days but we haven’t seen a standout performance so far from the juvenile ranks. I suspect the first chance of that will be on the 21st at Kempton. It’s possible Poetic Power will be making his debut in that race.

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    Indeed it’s all starting to get very exciting now.

    Perhaps we’ll see a Triumph contender tomorrow at Chepstow as both Far West and Handazan are set to make their eagerly awaited (as far as I’m concerned) UK jumps debuts along with Charlie Longsdon’s recent German purchase Acht. Irish transfer Mr Lando and Fontwell winner Gigondas should give a solid indication of how strong the form is.

    Mr Lando 2/1

    Caracciola

    6th County Hurdle (137), Cheltenham 2007*
    Far West 2/1

    Present Bleu

    1st Handicap Hurdle (120), Exeter 2001
    Gigondas 2/1

    Gee Dee Nen

    4th Listed Handicap Hurdle (128), Ascot 2009
    Khatella 2/1

    Tora Bora

    1st Handicap Hurdle (118), Ascot 2008
    Handazan 2/2

    Domino Dancer

    2nd Handicap Hurdle (116), Stratford 2011
    Polydamos 3/2

    Bulwark

    7th Pertemps Hurdle (127), Haydock, 2009
    Jambobo dam

    Hovering

    1st 4YO Hurdle, Galway 2007
    Acht 1/1

    Alraune

    6th Juvenile Hurdle, Stratford 2006

    * Mr Lando’s dam, Capitana, was a capable hurdler for Nicky Henderson

    Sires

    Far West – Poliglote (3)
    Khatella – Generous (3)
    Handazan – Nayef (3)
    Polydamos – Nayef (3)
    Jambobo – Acclamation (3)
    Acht – Big Shuffle (1)

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