Juvenile Hurdlers 2012/13

[Bachelors Hall]

I’m truly shattered after a night of pleasant scrapping and copious amounts of god knows what imbibed so I can only offer my very rough draft for today’s race at Punchestown

Authorization J Motherway 5-1-1 84 Gal 12sh hcp 3/8/12
Authorized 5/2 Jubail 138 1st Handicap Hurdle (129), Ascot 1990 (5/3 Honest John) 135 (4/1 Executive Design) 134
Bayan G Elliot 7-0-5 88 Bri 10gs hcp 19/7/12 (B Meehan)
Danehill Dancer (3) 2/1 Burning Impulse 125 7th Champion Four Year Old Hurdle (G1), Punchestown 2002
Call Me Bubbles W Mullins 10-2-1 89 Leo 14g hcp 8/9/12
Stormy River 2/1 Coeur Battant 89 4th Juvenile Hurdle, Kelso 1993
Casual Creeper N Meade 8-0-2 80 Nav 8s mdn 5/10/11
One Cool Cat (1) 4/1 Lion Hunter 102 4th Introductory Novices Hurdle, Newbury 2004
Dalasiri S Harty unraced
Dylan Thomas 3/2 Strangely Brown 152 1st Handicap Hurdle (Listed, 145), Aintree 2006 (6th Triumph), 3/3 Sesenta
Dayrina D McDonogh 18-0-6 64 Tip 12sh hcp 8/8/12 (J Bolger)
Whipper (1) 1/1 Galilean 112 3rd Maiden Hurdle, Kilbeggan 2008
Diplomat D Weld 9-2-4 92 Kln 11h hcp 30/8/12
Kitten’s Joy 4/3 Joke Club 90 3rd Maiden Hurdle, Fontwell 2007
Dogora W Mullins 2-0-0 -Chb 13h cond 20/4/12 (S Foucher)
Robin Des Pres (1) 3/3 Brindisi Breeze 154 1st Spa Novices’ Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2012 (2/1 Royal Auclair 2/2 Don Mirande 1/1 Robo)
Dougal Philps W Mullins 6-1-2 84 Bal 9sh mdn 23/7/12
Echo Of Light 4/2 Pharfetched 128 2nd Handicap Hurdle, Fairyhouse 1993
Elijah Gardner N Meade 1-0-0 57 Cur 10s mdn 22/4/12 86 Galway 5
Refuse To Bend 2/1 Sadlers Wings 157 4th Champion Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2006 (3/1 Atlaal)
Faanan Aldaar P Rothwell 9-0-5 75 Gal 12s hcp 5/8/12 ( P Deegan)
Authorized 1/1 Laish Ya Hajar 103 4th Handicap Hurdle (104), Huntingdon 2010
Fatcatinthehat W Mullins 8-1-4 89 Leo 7y hcp 6/11/11
Authorized 2/1 All Gong 125 9th Supreme Novices’ Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1999 (4/2 Shelbourne)
Flaxen Flare G Elliot 9-2-3 91 Not 9gs hcp 10/10/12 (A Balding)
Windsor Knot 2/2 Gaspar 115 3rd Handicap Hurdle (96), Gowran Park 2009
Gentle Aussie A Martin 3-0-0 6 Kln 8gy mdn 15/5/12
Aussie Rules 3/2 Blythe Knight 157 2nd Kingwell Hurdle (G2), Wincanton 2008 (2/2 Sunny Winner, 4/3 Nipper Reed)
Hartside N Meade 9-3-0 73 Bal 14h hcp 28/8/12 (T Carmody)
Montjeu (12) 4/4 Jockser 126 2nd Handicap Hurdle (126 listed), Cheltenham 2006
Hazariban S Fahey 6-1-0 62 Gow 12gs hcp 5/9/12
Kahyasi (1) 2/2 Domino Dancer 121 2nd Handicap Hurdle (116), Stratford 2011 (2/2 Handazan)
House Limit J Larkin 12-0-3 57 Kem 6st mdn 8/6/11 (H Dunlop)
Red Clubs 3/1 Jura 108 1st Novices’ Hurdle, Huntingdon 1994
Ibsen J Murphy 8-2-0 62 Trm 12s hcp 12/10/12
Dubawi 2/1 Magen’s Star 137 1st Mares Novices’ Hurdle, Clonmel 2011
Linkup P Martin 5-0-1 48 Chp 12f hcp 29/5/12 (P Flynn)
Rail Link 1/1 Shisha Threesixty 89 4th Juvenile Hurdle, Ayr 2012
Mudaffar D Love 5-1-0 77 Bal 9y mdn 13/8/12 (K Prendergast)
Red Ransom (4) 4/3 Crafty Roberto 114 3rd Free Handicap Hurdle (121), Chepstow 2012
Overcall J Harrington 4-0-1 80 Kln 8s cond 1/9/12
Choisir (3) 3/3 Junior Citizen <130? 2nd Huzzar Handicap Hurdle (Listed), Fairyhouse 1988 (3/3 Princely Son)
Roman General L Cusack 7-0-4 77 Leo 7g mdn 9/6/11 (E Lynam)
Holy Roman Emperor 4/3 Princio De Juilley 120? 1st Prix Durtain Hurdle (Listed, 4yo), Enghien 2009
Stay In My Heart C Swan 9-0-2 62 Dun 8st mdn 30/9/11
Medicean (4) 4/3 Cashel Blue 118 1st Handicap Hurdle (113), Chepstow 2009
Vedani D Hogan 5-1-2 91 Kln 11ys hcp 16/7/12 (J Oxx)
Dalakhani (4) 3/3 Young Poli 1st 134 Prix La Barka (G2), Auteuil 2010
Waky Dancer Unraced
Ivan Denisovich 4/1 Wing And A Prayer 140? 1st Tolworth Hurdle (Listed), Sandown 1985

[Bachelors Hall]

I’m truly shattered after a night of pleasant scrapping and copious amounts of god knows what imbibed so I can only offer my very rough draft for today’s race at Punchestown

Authorization J Motherway 5-1-1 84 Gal 12sh hcp 3/8/12
Authorized 5/2 Jubail 138 1st Handicap Hurdle (129), Ascot 1990 (5/3 Honest John) 135 (4/1 Executive Design) 134
Bayan G Elliot 7-0-5 88 Bri 10gs hcp 19/7/12 (B Meehan)
Danehill Dancer (3) 2/1 Burning Impulse 125 7th Champion Four Year Old Hurdle (G1), Punchestown 2002
Call Me Bubbles W Mullins 10-2-1 89 Leo 14g hcp 8/9/12
Stormy River 2/1 Coeur Battant 89 4th Juvenile Hurdle, Kelso 1993
Casual Creeper N Meade 8-0-2 80 Nav 8s mdn 5/10/11
One Cool Cat (1) 4/1 Lion Hunter 102 4th Introductory Novices Hurdle, Newbury 2004
Dalasiri S Harty unraced
Dylan Thomas 3/2 Strangely Brown 152 1st Handicap Hurdle (Listed, 145), Aintree 2006 (6th Triumph), 3/3 Sesenta
Dayrina D McDonogh 18-0-6 64 Tip 12sh hcp 8/8/12 (J Bolger)
Whipper (1) 1/1 Galilean 112 3rd Maiden Hurdle, Kilbeggan 2008
Diplomat D Weld 9-2-4 92 Kln 11h hcp 30/8/12
Kitten’s Joy 4/3 Joke Club 90 3rd Maiden Hurdle, Fontwell 2007
Dogora W Mullins 2-0-0 -Chb 13h cond 20/4/12 (S Foucher)
Robin Des Pres (1) 3/3 Brindisi Breeze 154 1st Spa Novices’ Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2012 (2/1 Royal Auclair 2/2 Don Mirande 1/1 Robo)
Dougal Philps W Mullins 6-1-2 84 Bal 9sh mdn 23/7/12
Echo Of Light 4/2 Pharfetched 128 2nd Handicap Hurdle, Fairyhouse 1993
Elijah Gardner N Meade 1-0-0 57 Cur 10s mdn 22/4/12 86 Galway 5
Refuse To Bend 2/1 Sadlers Wings 157 4th Champion Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2006 (3/1 Atlaal)
Faanan Aldaar P Rothwell 9-0-5 75 Gal 12s hcp 5/8/12 ( P Deegan)
Authorized 1/1 Laish Ya Hajar 103 4th Handicap Hurdle (104), Huntingdon 2010
Fatcatinthehat W Mullins 8-1-4 89 Leo 7y hcp 6/11/11
Authorized 2/1 All Gong 125 9th Supreme Novices’ Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1999 (4/2 Shelbourne)
Flaxen Flare G Elliot 9-2-3 91 Not 9gs hcp 10/10/12 (A Balding)
Windsor Knot 2/2 Gaspar 115 3rd Handicap Hurdle (96), Gowran Park 2009
Gentle Aussie A Martin 3-0-0 6 Kln 8gy mdn 15/5/12
Aussie Rules 3/2 Blythe Knight 157 2nd Kingwell Hurdle (G2), Wincanton 2008 (2/2 Sunny Winner, 4/3 Nipper Reed)
Hartside N Meade 9-3-0 73 Bal 14h hcp 28/8/12 (T Carmody)
Montjeu (12) 4/4 Jockser 126 2nd Handicap Hurdle (126 listed), Cheltenham 2006
Hazariban S Fahey 6-1-0 62 Gow 12gs hcp 5/9/12
Kahyasi (1) 2/2 Domino Dancer 121 2nd Handicap Hurdle (116), Stratford 2011 (2/2 Handazan)
House Limit J Larkin 12-0-3 57 Kem 6st mdn 8/6/11 (H Dunlop)
Red Clubs 3/1 Jura 108 1st Novices’ Hurdle, Huntingdon 1994
Ibsen J Murphy 8-2-0 62 Trm 12s hcp 12/10/12
Dubawi 2/1 Magen’s Star 137 1st Mares Novices’ Hurdle, Clonmel 2011
Linkup P Martin 5-0-1 48 Chp 12f hcp 29/5/12 (P Flynn)
Rail Link 1/1 Shisha Threesixty 89 4th Juvenile Hurdle, Ayr 2012
Mudaffar D Love 5-1-0 77 Bal 9y mdn 13/8/12 (K Prendergast)
Red Ransom (4) 4/3 Crafty Roberto 114 3rd Free Handicap Hurdle (121), Chepstow 2012
Overcall J Harrington 4-0-1 80 Kln 8s cond 1/9/12
Choisir (3) 3/3 Junior Citizen <130? 2nd Huzzar Handicap Hurdle (Listed), Fairyhouse 1988 (3/3 Princely Son)
Roman General L Cusack 7-0-4 77 Leo 7g mdn 9/6/11 (E Lynam)
Holy Roman Emperor 4/3 Princio De Juilley 120? 1st Prix Durtain Hurdle (Listed, 4yo), Enghien 2009
Stay In My Heart C Swan 9-0-2 62 Dun 8st mdn 30/9/11
Medicean (4) 4/3 Cashel Blue 118 1st Handicap Hurdle (113), Chepstow 2009
Vedani D Hogan 5-1-2 91 Kln 11ys hcp 16/7/12 (J Oxx)
Dalakhani (4) 3/3 Young Poli 1st 134 Prix La Barka (G2), Auteuil 2010
Waky Dancer Unraced
Ivan Denisovich 4/1 Wing And A Prayer 140? 1st Tolworth Hurdle (Listed), Sandown 1985

[Bachelors Hall]

Ugh, what a mess! Neither big nor clever…

So yeah, the festivities are over, I’ve just about caught up with what I missed, my bumps and bruises are slowly but surely healing and my fiancee is still utterly livid at me for taking strangers home from the pub and starting a topless fight club. With that out of the way with, here are today’s pedigrees.

I spent today travelling down to Bristol as a launch pad for Chepstow. I thought I had an intro which took witful advantage of the connection afforded by the fact that Swnymor represents the first crop of Dylan Thomas who was scathingly critical of Welsh Nationalism… But I lost it by the M42

Dalmo 1/1

Pigeon Island

1st Dovecote Novices Hurdle (G2), Kempton 2008
Zamdy Man 4/4

Laetitia

3rd Red Mills Trial Hurdle (G2), Gowran Park 2007
Caid Du Berlais 2/1

Enzo Du Berlais

1st Prix Gerald De Rochefort (4YO listed), Auteuil 2004**
Feb Thirtyfirst 1/1

Crookhaven

7th Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2007
Swnymor 3/1

Sayeh

1st Handicap Hurdle (108), Cartmel 1999
Ruacana 3/2

Saibot

2nd Galway Hurdle (G2), Galway 1995
Megalypos 2/2

Zazamix

1st Novices’ Hurdle, Bangor 2009***
Vasco D’Ycy 1/1

Sun Des Mottes

7th Novices’ Hurdle, Hereford 2011

*Also 1/1 with Ladino
**Also 2/2 with Bonita Du Berlais
***Also 4/2 with Mon Filleul

Sires

Dalmo – Dalakhani (4)
Ruacana – Cape Cross (4)
Caid Du Berlais – Westerner (1)

Angelot Du Berlais 1/1

Afsoun

3rd Champion Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2007*
Knight Of Pleasure 5/4

Tamarinbleu

2nd Handicap Hurdle (143, Listed), Aintree 2005**
Uncle Roger 2/1

Tasman

2nd Handicap Hurdle (128), Galway 2006
Iron Butterfly 3/2

Hidden Bounty

2nd Handicap Hurdle (125), Wetherby 2005
For Two 3/3

Just Rob

12th Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2009***
Sir Fredlot 2/2

Waldvogel

1st Novices’ Hurdle, Musselburgh 2011
Superciliary 3/3

Greenbelt

1st Handicap Hurdle (110), Catterick 2009

*Also 1/1 with Afrad, 2/1 with Afarad and 3/1 with Barney Knows
**Also 5/3 with Cerium
***Also 2/1 with To Much Fun

Sires

Angelot Du Berlais – Poliglote (3)
For Two – Act One (3)
Sir Fredlot – Choisir (3)
Superciliary – Dansili (2)

[Bachelors Hall]

Stonkingly good looking race at Doncaster tomorrow with Modernism, and in particular, Handazan, setting a tough standard for some interesting newcomers. The Jonjo O’Neill/JP McManus/AP McCoy team are represented by Last Shadow who was the most expensive purchase at the autumn sales whilst Kim Bailey’s Milord was decent enough to contest last year’s German Derby. Nicky Henderson, Donald McCain and John Quinn are other top trainers fielding newcomers and are represented by Little Dutch Girl, Aazif and Calculated Risk, a half brother to Kings Quay, respectively. Nurse Dominatrix also makes her belated jumps debut having been skipping entries since the summer… not that she’s likely to threaten the major contenders.

Aazif 4/3

Mubadir

2nd Cadogan Handicap Hurdle (Listed 12-0), Leopardstown 1993*
Luctor Emergo 4/2

Bootlaces

1st Schweppes Gold Trophy, Newbury 1980
Take Two 1/1

My Petra

2nd Doncaster Mares Hurdle (G2), Doncaster 2010
Calculated Risk 1/1

Kings Quay

1st Elite Hurdle (133 G2), Wincanton 2007**
Modernism 2/1

King Of Queens

3rd Durkan Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2008***
Milord 1/1

Maucaillou

11th Pertemps Handicap Hurdle (Listed, 132), Cheltenham 2010
Nurse Dominatrix 3/2

Double Vodka

1st Handicap Hurdle (125), Newcastle 2007
Dorry K 3/2

Brief Reunion

3rd Spring Hurdle (G3, 4yo), Leopardstown 1995
Little Dutch Girl 1/1

Downing Street

4th Handicap Hurdle (122), Uttoxeter 2007
Last Shadow 1/1

Fin Vin De Leu

1st Juvenile Hurdle, Warwick 2010
Handazan 2/2

Domino Dancer

1st Handicap Hurdle (109), Ffos Las 2011

*Also 4/4 with Venalmar and 4/4 with One Gulp
**Also 2/2 with Statim
***Also 3/2 with Duty

Sires

Handazan – Nayef (4)
Aazif – Nayef (3)
Take Two – Act One (3)
Calculated Risk – Motivator (2)
Nurse Dominatrix – Whipper (1)

Later on in the afternoon at Ludlow, a bunch of horses have the sheer temerity… the utter audacity to think that they can run on the same turf as Poetic Power. The likes of Alan King, Noel Quinlan, Nicky Henderson and John Ferguson really have some nerve sending the comparatively mediocre newcomers King Of Dudes and Sky Khan and the modest formed Amoralist and Bordoni to cut turf with racing’s next superstar.

Brandy Snapping 4/1

Baydon Star

3rd Stayers Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1993
Poetic Power 3/2

Aardwolf

4th Long Distance Hurdle (G2), Ascot 1998*
Sky Khan – Cape Cross (4) 3/2 Chief Yeoman 143 2nd Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2004**
Fuzzy Logic 3/3

Steps To Freedom

1st Sharp Novices’ Hurdle (G2), Cheltenham 2011
Kozmina Bay 3/4

Mariah Rollins

1st Future Champions Novice Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2003***
Palus San Marco 2/1

Father Sky

1st Classic Novices Hurdle (G2), Uttoxeter 1995****
Surrey Dream 2/3

Resounding Glory

1st Wensleydale Juvenile Hurdle (Listed), Wetherby 2008
King Of Dudes 3/2

Elaando

1st Handicap Hurdle (102), Towcester 2000
King Of Wing 4/3

Secretern

1st Selling Hurdle, Leicester 2000
Copper Falls 2/1

Fly The Wind

1st Handicap Hurdle (99), Newton Abbot 1991
Snowed In 3/2

So Precious

1st Juvenile Hurdle, Fakenham 2000
Bordoni 3/1

Actionnaire

3rd Conditions Hurdle, Compiegne 2002
Amoralist 2/1

Mac’s Elan

3rd Novices’ Hurdle, Market Rasen 2005
Golden Jubilee American bred, no hurdling relatives

*Also 1/1 with Jolly Roger
**Also 3/1 with Insular, 3/2 with Serve Time and 5/4 Border Castle
***Also 3/5 with Pendra and 2/2 with The Ethiopian
****Also 3/3 with Kings Wharf

Sires

Amoralist – Tobougg (7)
Sky Khan – Cape Cross (4)
King Of Wing – Hawk Wing (3)
King Of Dudes – Dansili (2)

[Tuffers]

Later on in the afternoon at Ludlow, a bunch of horses have the sheer temerity… the utter audacity to think that they can run on the same turf as Poetic Power. The likes of Alan King, Noel Quinlan, Nicky Henderson and John Ferguson really have some nerve sending the comparatively mediocre newcomers King Of Dudes and Sky Khan and the modest formed Amoralist and Bordoni to cut turf with racing’s next superstar.

The frustrating thing is that the Dylan Thomas/Sadler’s Wells cross is already looking like it may be as potent over hurdles as it is on the flat.

We’re hopeful that carting Stevie Donohoe round Wolverhampton on Sunday has taken the edge off him enough to enable Robbie McCarth (who rides him all the time at home) to have some chance of steering him.

After the race he’s off to Sarah Stretton to be re-trained as unless he can be taught to behave we really are wasting our time.

[Bachelors Hall]

Carolingian is joined by King Of Wing, Surrey Dream and Surrey Dream on the list of horses who have felt the full brunt Poetic Power’s poetic power!

He jumped fine as usual and for a moment towards the end of the back straight, he did look like he was travelling with intent. If he ever settles then he does have the requisite breeding and ability to win races. However, am I to understand that he’s off to be an eventer now or will he get to continue his path of destruction through the juvenile ranks?

There’s an uncompetitive fillies race at Catterick where Cockney Sparrow meets eight hurdles.

Glaisdale 2/1

Blue Bajan

3rd Christmas Hurdle (G1), Kempton 2008
Scarlett Fever 4/2

Dangerus Precedent

4th Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 1999
Royal Gig 1/1

Santera

Ladbrokes Mares’ Hurdle (Listed), Kempton 2010*
Rhyme Royal 1/1

Secret Edge

5th Champion 4yo Hurdle (G1), Punchestown 2012
Emley Moor 3/2

Fiori

1st Handicap Hurdle (127), Warwick 2002
Miss Conduct 5/4

Power Pack

1st Navan Races Hurdle, Navan 1995
Cockney Sparrow 3/2

Julius Caesar

1st NH Novices’ Handicap Hurdle (116, G3), Sandown 2005
Stickleback 2/3

Warrior One

1st Novices’ Hurdle, Sedgefield 2011

*Also 2/3 with Royal Speed

Sires

Scarlett Fever – Haafhd (4)
Royal Gig – Val Royal (3)
Miss Conduct – Overbury (1)

[Tuffers]

He jumped fine as usual and for a moment towards the end of the back straight, he did look like he was travelling with intent. If he ever settles then he does have the requisite breeding and ability to win races. However, am I to understand that he’s off to be an eventer now or will he get to continue his path of destruction through the juvenile ranks?

He won’t run again unless he can be taught to settle.

[stilvi]

Must admit to only just reading this thread.

For those of us who cannot manage 14 pages can you give your current assessment of the Triumph Hurdle market. It strikes me as one of the most difficult of all the ante-post markets. I have no statistics but I assume it is rare for the the pre-Christmas favourite to go on to succeed at the Festival? To my eyes the current favourite looks extremely poor value.

[Tuffers]

Must admit to only just reading this thread.

For those of us who cannot manage 14 pages can you give your current assessment of the Triumph Hurdle market. It strikes me as one of the most difficult of all the ante-post markets. I have no statistics but I assume it is rare for the the pre-Christmas favourite to go on to succeed at the Festival? To my eyes the current favourite looks extremely poor value.

Far West’s form looks very strong and it’s difficult to see on what basis you would want to oppose him at the moment. I think he will be very difficult to beat indeed.

[stilvi]

Must admit to only just reading this thread.

For those of us who cannot manage 14 pages can you give your current assessment of the Triumph Hurdle market. It strikes me as one of the most difficult of all the ante-post markets. I have no statistics but I assume it is rare for the the pre-Christmas favourite to go on to succeed at the Festival? To my eyes the current favourite looks extremely poor value.

Far West’s form looks very strong and it’s difficult to see on what basis you would want to oppose him at the moment. I think he will be very difficult to beat indeed.

For a start I don’t have any specialist knowledge which is why I asked the question.

Reasons I would have for opposing him:-

(1) The impression I have is that he will be found wanting on quicker ground.
(2) Don’t think the form as it stands is anything special.
(3) Following on from that there is still plenty of scope for something new to emerge.
(4) Nicholls has a tendency to crack on with his juveniles very early compared to other trainers – how many of these last the season. Hinterland was an obvious example from last year.

[Bachelors Hall]

2012
Countrywide Flame 16th July
Hisaabaat 27th December
Grumeti 30th December

2011
Zarkandar 26th February
Unaccompanied 31st December
Grandouet 29th October UK (9th March FRA)

2010
Soldatino 27th February UK (20th September NHF, 2nd Jan hdles FRA)
Barizan 8th June
Alaivan 11th December

2009
Zaynar 17th December
Walkon 22nd November
Mourad 31st December

2008
Celestial Halo 29th December
Franchoek 29th September
Won In The Dark 6th October

2007
Katchit 23rd September
Liberate 16th November
Mobaasher 4th February

2006
Detroit City 4th December
Fair Along 17th July
Blazing Bailey 17th January

2005
Penzance 10th January
Faasel 14th January
Akilak 29th January

2004
Made In Japan 8th January
Chief Yeoman 25th October
Top Strategy 16th November

2003
Spectroscope 26th October
Well Chief 13th February
Golden Cross 30th November

2002
Scolardy 28th October
Newhall 29th November
Diamond Joshua 17th October

Hi Stilvi and welcome to the thread. Even though I’ve made the most posts in this thread, I don’t really want consider it "my" thread. I encourage anybody with a thought on juvenile hurdlers to post.

To be honest, I don’t gamble anymore so I wouldn’t know how the ante post market looks. I’ve reposted the above list which should be useful. From the above, the Triumph winner is likely to be out by now although that isn’t essential. What is more pertinent is the fact that chasers don’t win the Triumph which is a category most of Nicholls’ juveniles can be thrown in. Lac Fontana has a similar profile to Zarkandar in that he represents the same connections and has yet to make his debut. Deia Sunrise is an interesting newcomer for Paul Webber at Kempton tomorrow as his flat form is as good as any juvenile’s, his sire Clodovil has already produced hurdlers and he will act on the better ground typical of the festival. Far West would have the strongest form seen in England so far but the ground is a massive concern so your concerns are understandable. Swnymor would be closest to Far West and Tim Vaughan thinks an awful lot of him but is another with ground issues. In Ireland, Blood Cotil and Our Conor lead the field over there. Blood Cotil is by the same sire as Champion Hurdler, Binocular, whose success came on good to soft whilst Our Conor’s sire Jeremy is one whose progeny are seen to better effect on softer ground.

If I form an actual opinion then I will share it on here but the truth is that at the moment, I’m not clued up on the market enough to be confident about anything.

Anyway, nice looking little contest at Kempton with Deia Sunrise taking on L’Unique (whose Aintree form was knocked slightly by the performance of Cockney Sparrow yesterday) and bumper horse Vibrato Valtat.

L’Unique 2/1

Me Voici

1st Finale Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Chepstow 2009 (1/1 Sanglote)
Deia Sunrise 1/2

Sportsmaster

6th Spring Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2012
Watt Broderick 2/3

Medicinal

5th Conditions Hurdle, Fairyhouse 2007
Shamrocked 2/1

Secret World

2nd Novices’ Hurdle, Taunton 2011
Vibrato Valtat 2/1

Tango Valtat

3rd 4yo conditions hurdle, Auteuil 2011

Sires

Shamrocked – Rock Of Gibraltar (7)
Watt Broderick – Hawk Wing (3)

[Bachelors Hall]

Three undefeated juveniles meet at Punchestown later on with Swiss Derby fourth, Diakali, being the most impressive of the bunch.

Dogora 3/3

Brindisi Breeze

1st Spa Novices’ Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2012*
Baby Jake 4/2

Rossbeigh

3rd Handicap Hurdle (110), Gowran Park 2009
Flaxen Flare 2/2

Gaspar

3rd Handicap Hurdle (96), Gowran Park 2009
Diakali 4/3

Petuntse

1st Handicap Hurdle (103), Musselburgh 2002
Faanan Aldaar 1/1

Laish Ya Hajar

4th Handicap Hurdle (104), Huntingdon 2010

*Also 2/1 with Royal Auclair

Sires

Diakali – Sinndar (5)
Dogora – Robin Des Pres (1)

[TomBarkley87]

Far West’s form looks very strong and it’s difficult to see on what basis you would want to oppose him at the moment. I think he will be very difficult to beat indeed.

Looks like he wants better ground and doesn’t look quick enough to me. I do personally think he’ll be a top class horse over further but I’m sure he needs more of a trip. I’ve been long awaiting the debut of Lac Fontana, who I’d possibly consider to be Nicholls’ most likely Triumph chance. Wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him first appear in the Adonis.

[TomBarkley87]

Then again I said something similar about Dildar last term before he appeared

[stilvi]

2012
Countrywide Flame 16th July
Hisaabaat 27th December
Grumeti 30th December

2011
Zarkandar 26th February
Unaccompanied 31st December
Grandouet 29th October UK (9th March FRA)

2010
Soldatino 27th February UK (20th September NHF, 2nd Jan hdles FRA)
Barizan 8th June
Alaivan 11th December

2009
Zaynar 17th December
Walkon 22nd November
Mourad 31st December

2008
Celestial Halo 29th December
Franchoek 29th September
Won In The Dark 6th October

2007
Katchit 23rd September
Liberate 16th November
Mobaasher 4th February

2006
Detroit City 4th December
Fair Along 17th July
Blazing Bailey 17th January

2005
Penzance 10th January
Faasel 14th January
Akilak 29th January

2004
Made In Japan 8th January
Chief Yeoman 25th October
Top Strategy 16th November

2003
Spectroscope 26th October
Well Chief 13th February
Golden Cross 30th November

2002
Scolardy 28th October
Newhall 29th November
Diamond Joshua 17th October

Hi Stilvi and welcome to the thread. Even though I’ve made the most posts in this thread, I don’t really want consider it "my" thread. I encourage anybody with a thought on juvenile hurdlers to post.

To be honest, I don’t gamble anymore so I wouldn’t know how the ante post market looks. I’ve reposted the above list which should be useful. From the above, the Triumph winner is likely to be out by now although that isn’t essential. What is more pertinent is the fact that chasers don’t win the Triumph which is a category most of Nicholls’ juveniles can be thrown in. Lac Fontana has a similar profile to Zarkandar in that he represents the same connections and has yet to make his debut. Deia Sunrise is an interesting newcomer for Paul Webber at Kempton tomorrow as his flat form is as good as any juvenile’s, his sire Clodovil has already produced hurdlers and he will act on the better ground typical of the festival. Far West would have the strongest form seen in England so far but the ground is a massive concern so your concerns are understandable. Swnymor would be closest to Far West and Tim Vaughan thinks an awful lot of him but is another with ground issues. In Ireland, Blood Cotil and Our Conor lead the field over there. Blood Cotil is by the same sire as Champion Hurdler, Binocular, whose success came on good to soft whilst Our Conor’s sire Jeremy is one whose progeny are seen to better effect on softer ground.

If I form an actual opinion then I will share it on here but the truth is that at the moment, I’m not clued up on the market enough to be confident about anything.

Anyway, nice looking little contest at Kempton with Deia Sunrise taking on L’Unique (whose Aintree form was knocked slightly by the performance of Cockney Sparrow yesterday) and bumper horse Vibrato Valtat.

L’Unique 2/1

Me Voici

1st Finale Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Chepstow 2009 (1/1 Sanglote)
Deia Sunrise 1/2

Sportsmaster

6th Spring Juvenile Hurdle (G1), Leopardstown 2012
Watt Broderick 2/3

Medicinal

5th Conditions Hurdle, Fairyhouse 2007
Shamrocked 2/1

Secret World

2nd Novices’ Hurdle, Taunton 2011
Vibrato Valtat 2/1

Tango Valtat

3rd 4yo conditions hurdle, Auteuil 2011

Sires

Shamrocked – Rock Of Gibraltar (7)
Watt Broderick – Hawk Wing (3)

Thanks, quite something to put so much research and resist the temptation of financial gain.

Interested in what you make of the Nicholl’s pair Caid Du Berlais and Saphir Du Berlais. I noticed Caid Du Berlais as he had more of a bumper pedigree being by a NH sire. At Chepstow it looked as if further and better ground would help his cause. Saphir Du Berlais disappointed on debut but then appeared pretty impressive from the last at Taunton although on both runs he didn’t get very high at the obstacles. They don’t look obvious candidates for the Festival juvenile races but perhaps they could get entries in the Neptune?

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I can’t say the temptation is really there. For one, I’d probably have to do this kind of research for a good five or ten years for my levels of understanding to warrant being tested and for another, money isn’t a motivating factor in my life as I get a great deal of pleasure from the simpler things… like compiling databases.

Caid Du Berlais certainly needs further as he was getting outpaced most of the way at Chepstow which is rather remarkable given the tempo of the race and the state of the ground that day. However, as far as I can see, the going doesn’t seem to be an issue on either breeding or form. Saphir Du Rheu jumped better at Taunton and won very cosily. The form of his Newbury race has been mixed so far with Vasco D’Ycy disappointing at Chepstow whilst Pistol won since over the course. That form will be tested later on at Lingfield provided the meeting goes ahead. They’re both longer term prospects in my eyes though I think if either horse will do something this season then Saphir Du Rheu would be the likelier of the two. Nevertheless, I can’t see either doing a great deal this March as, barring a very generous handicap mark, there are better prospects in each race.

Welsh Bard 1/1

Hebridean

1st Adonis Juvenile Hurdle (G2), Kempton 2009*
My Boy Ginger 5/2

Magic Feeling

2nd Champion 4YO Hurdle (Listed), Punchestown 1994
Chris Pea Green 3/3

Levera

2nd WBX.com Novices’ Hurdle (listed), Kempton 2008**
King Arthur 4/2

Konigsbote

1st Handicap Hurdle (99), Newton Abbot 2008
Sash Of Honour 3/1

Search And Destroy

1st Novices’ Handicap Hurdle (98), Doncaster 2002
Asian Prince 4/1

El Rubio

1st Novices’ Hurdle, Haydock 1996

*Also 3/2 with Beef Or Salmon
**Also 3/1 with Admirals All

Sires

Sash Of Honour – Galileo (11)

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Poetic Power has been awarded a mark of 100 this morning

I’d be interested to hear your views, BH, on where the handicapper plucked that from.

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