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Any need for this? If you think the poster is wrong, then say so and expand.
I already have, dork. Perhaps you’re unhappy that you’re not the arch bully after all.
As I remember Alan Potts had something to say on this subject in ‘Against the Crowd’ (I can’t find my copy at the moment so I am repeating from memory) but it was something along the lines that very often horses look as though they are accelerating at the end of races but in fact they are merely maintaining their speed for longer (and thus demonstrating what he called ‘power’) whilst the others are tiring.
That would be more prevalent in races with a faster pace throughout. Such like a 100m race in athletics. The athletes are going full speed for the full duration, so when lactic acid build up is at its’ highest at the end of the race, then it will show people slowing rather than getting faster.
However, for slower run races, then yes, people and horses can quicken up at the end. It all depends on the pace of the race beforehand.
That pretty much hits the nail on the head gaz, if you have just jogged for most of a race and are full of running, you wouldnt slow down, you would accelerate (obviously until you hit your top speed and can accelerate no further), but I dont think you would slow down unless it is a race where you and/or everything else is battling on tired, with nothing left, and I agree that I have seen such races, where that is clear to be seen
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You guys obviously think I’ve got a screw loose with my question but I’m convinced I’ve read somewhere that the final furlong is always run in a slower time than the penultimate furlong but I can’t find it anywhere on the net.
The reason I think it’s an important point is that it illustrates (if my point is correct) how difficult it is to read a race.
As I said earlier "Does it matter"?
Surely any information that can be gleaned from knowing whether a horse is slowing or accelerating is also available through studying the form and pace of the race anyway?As I remember Alan Potts had something to say on this subject in ‘Against the Crowd’ (I can’t find my copy at the moment so I am repeating from memory) but it was something along the lines that very often horses look as though they are accelerating at the end of races but in fact they are merely maintaining their speed for longer (and thus demonstrating what he called ‘power’) whilst the others are tiring.
Good memory that man
Here’s a link to Alan’s book online. The start of Chapter 2 is the relevant bit
Scallywag, IMO you are not really helping Tuffers who is simply asking questions by your one line seemingly condesending comments. This is a forum where constructional comments seem more welcome. Why do you not expand and be a bit more helpful? You scallywag.
It’s not that difficult to understand really is it? Use of the word ‘quickened’ was, surely, never intended to indicate that a horse was suddenly travelling at a pace hitherto not experienced at any other stage of the race in question.
It’s not that difficult to understand really is it? Use of the word ‘quickened’ was, surely, never intended to indicate that a horse was suddenly travelling at a pace hitherto not experienced at any other stage of the race in question.
But as this thread has shown, that’s exactly what many people think it means.
IMHO the point I’m trying to make is critical to finding winners. It’s easy to think that a horse who appears to be finishing fast and fails to win is worth backing next time but if you understand that it isn’t speeding up at all it puts a completely different complexion on things. I love opposing horses who appear to have been unlucky fast finishing losers last time out because the misconception that those horses are actually speeding up at the finish causes them to be overbet and makes the market for me
You guys obviously think I’ve got a screw loose with my question but I’m convinced I’ve read somewhere that the final furlong is always run in a slower time than the penultimate furlong but I can’t find it anywhere on the net.
The reason I think it’s an important point is that it illustrates (if my point is correct) how difficult it is to read a race.
Ok – fine, but we all get an immediate suggestion of what this topic is about based on your title. "Horses don’t quicken". So … which one is it?
PS. Are we all this thin-skinned? Somebody criticises – not belittles – another poster for their comments and others are jumping up and down calling disgrace, or rudeness … whatever you wish.
You participate in a forum of opinions and views from other posters – so one must be prepared to encounter unlikeable statements. But that’s the deal with a forum. Freedom of opinion.
Are the drugs particularly ripe this year on the Isle of Man?
A little acronym you may like to beat in mind, Andrew is PDNFTT
Which translates as Please Do Not Feed The Troll
ie don’t reply to their posts it only encourages them
Ok – fine, but we all get an immediate suggestion of what this topic is about based on your title. "Horses don’t quicken". So … which one is it?
PS. Are we all this thin-skinned? Somebody criticises – not belittles – another poster for their comments and others are jumping up and down calling disgrace, or rudeness … whatever you wish.
You participate in a forum of opinions and views from other posters – so one must be prepared to encounter unlikeable statements. But that’s the deal with a forum. Freedom of opinion.
I made the mistake of going for a catchy thread title a la Boys Don’t Cry. I forgot that people tend not to read the actual posts before they reply.
Although I’ve been touched
by people leaping to my aid I can assure you I’m old enough and ugly enough to look after myself and as a great champion of freedom of speech I believe that you should be able to voice your opinions whatever they are. I find the content of people’s posts is much more revealing when they post honestlymark johnston in his bio said that all horses slow down at the end of races. But then again…the way his run (from the front…not badly i mean
) would support that..perhapsNot sure im bothered really
You participate in a forum of opinions and views from other posters – so one must be prepared to encounter unlikeable statements. But that’s the deal with a forum. Freedom of opinion
Freedom of opinion is a given. But this forum has always been more than a mere series of slanging matches. There have been many many threads that have been interesting, enlightening and even inspiring and that is because we have for the most part treated each other and our ideas with courtesy. I just don’t want that to be lost.
No problem Tuffers. It would be very rare to see a fastest sectional in the final furlong. As you can see, we have mustered together just two names who have: Secretariat and Dancing Brave.
No problem Tuffers. It would be very rare to see a fastest sectional in the final furlong. As you can see, we have mustered together just two names who have: Secretariat and Dancing Brave.
BTW, MD. I don’t suppose you could find out what happened to Elopement for me? I emailed Tasman Bloodstock but they never replied. I was interested to see whether they were going to run her Down Under or just send her straight to a stallion
by people leaping to my aid I can assure you I’m old enough and ugly enough to look after myself and as a great champion of freedom of speech I believe that you should be able to voice your opinions whatever they are. I find the content of people’s posts is much more revealing when they post honestly
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