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    Richard88
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    Make no mistake, the opponents of horse racing are going to seize on this news with glee.

    Perhaps the saddest aspect of the whole thing. You just know that whilst us rotten racing fans are watching hoping that every horse comes back safely, the lovely animal rights folk are hoping for a death to, for want of a better word, advance their cause.

    #1726801
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    I feel the anti racing sentiment has dwindled in the last couple of years. Yes, there’s a few brief news stories or sensationalist headlines but that’s to be expected. I think a small percentage of that is the changes that have been made, a bigger percentage is a fair chunk of social media has lost it’s lustre (looking at you twitter/X). Mix that in with the everyday constant barrage of ‘NEWS’ for people to have feelings and emotions and OPINIONS!!!!! about and you have just another topic on another day.
    The anti comments on the Daily Mail, I reckon a big portion of those will be airing there views on the very next article because they are desperate to form an opinion on something every minute of every day. That’s just my opinion. Oh snap.

    #1726802
    greenasgrass
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    ” “It didn’t just say that he weakened in the run in. It also said he ‘finished tired’”.”

    Wasn’t that Chambard’s Bechers though? When the going stick was reading about zero, there was a raft of PUs in the opening 2m mile hurdle to set the tone, the beginners chase winner “finished tired and alone” and Celebre d’Allen himself beat the last horse home by 99 lengths? I’m surprised they actually went ahead with racing that day.

    #1726810
    moehat
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    Yes. You’re right. To be fair, he was ‘staying on’ in last years Topham on better ground.

    #1726817
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    He was – but the Topham is far shorter than the Becher or the National. There was nothing in his form to suggest he wanted a marathon distance.

    #1726833
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    Didn’t they use to say “You need a good 2 and a half miler in the National”?
    I know Gay Trip won and was second in the early seventies and Classified was placed a couple of times in the 80’s.
    But that was when they were proper fences ;-)

    #1726836
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    Wasn’t that because the old big fences could not be jumped at pace, so the race was run at a slower tempo which suited horses with a turn of foot after the last.

    #1726845
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    Would appear that a seperate issue cause the death of Celebre D’Allen. The following has been copied and pasted from the RP’s website:

    Celebre D’Allen’s post-mortem report says death of Grand National runner not directly linked to post-race collapse

    Vets determine bacterial respiratory infection emerged after Aintree run

    A post-mortem examination carried out on Celebre D’Allen has concluded that the exercise-associated episode which led him to collapse after jumping the last in Saturday’s Randox Grand National had ceased to be a factor by the time of his death on Tuesday.

    Instead the horse died of complications linked to pleuropneumonia (a lung infection), though blood tests taken on the day of the race showed no presence of the virus and thus vets believe it is not possible to separate the emergence of the secondary problem from his run at Aintree on Saturday.

    A statement from the BHA said: “The findings of the post-mortem state that the exercise-associated episode experienced by the horse after the race had concluded by the time of death.

    “However, a severe bacterial respiratory infection [pleuropneumonia] had occurred post-race which led to the horse’s deterioration on Monday evening, with the subsequent onset of sepsis or endotoxaemia [the release of harmful substances into the bloodstream from bacteria] likely to have been a key factor in the cause of death.

    “Blood tests taken from the day of the race indicate that the infection had not been present in the horse on raceday, and was therefore developed after the race.”

    The statement continued: “Further bloods taken on the Monday indicated a severely compromised immune system. These indications had not been present in the bloods taken on the day of the race. This indicates that this issue emerged subsequent to the race and the exercise-associated episode.

    “The heart pathology found no issues which are likely to be significant in the death of the horse.”

    Celebre D’Allen led the Grand National field towards the 29th of the 30 fences alongside third-placed Grangeclare West before fading on the run to the last.

    Jockey Micheal Nolan dismounted the 13-year-old after jumping the last and Celebre D’Allen collapsed several moments later.

    After receiving extensive treatment on the track and then overnight in the racecourse stables, he was deemed well enough to be transferred to a nearby stud farm and was the subject of positive reports on Monday, but deteriorated overnight and died early on Tuesday.

    Nolan was banned for ten days after the Aintree stewards found him guilty of “continuing in the race when the horse appeared to have no more to give and was clearly losing ground after the second-last fence.”

    #1726846
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    In addition to the “Racing Post”, the “Daily Mirror” and “Liverpool Echo” have run the story.

    No sign of the “Daily Mail” or the BBC advising their readers yet. It wouldn’t generate as many clicks, I suppose.

    #1726848
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    Obviously not the outcome they were hoping for and no doubt if they do report on it, it will likely be buried somewhere well out of sight so as not to dissuade their readers/viewers of the thought that it was the race that was responsible for his passing.

    #1726850
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    The BBC has reported it now but done its best to put the worst spin on it possible. Mustn’t let facts get in the way of its blatant anti-racing agenda.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/articles/cewggedp4wyo

    #1726851
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    Some small consolation at least for Nolan who has no doubt been horrendously vilified on social media (i studiously avoid it around April as the once a year racing haters come out from under their rocks to spew their vitriol). But hopefully Kevin Blake and the HorsePwr team will make it clear that poor Celebre’s death was due to a separate toxic pulmonary infection and not cardiac failure linked to Aintree fences or being pulled up 1/2 a furlong later than he should have been.

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    I suppose Nolan hopes his interview for the Post will reduce the hate. I’m afraid it will only make it worse. He should have deleted all his social media presence as soon as possible after the race and continue to keep a low profile. This lad is being very poorly advised.

    #1726880
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    Tonge, Nolan did delete all his social media I believe.

    The interview won’t change the mind of those determined to see the worse, nor will it help Nolan fade into obscurity again more quickly. But I can understand why he might have wanted to say something, and what he has said seems reasonable enough.

    I guess whether it was the right thing to do depends on his motivation for speaking. Perhaps he just wanted to get things off his chest. One thing his account does do is corroborate the very good point you made about having water available out on the course.

    I wish Nolan well, it must have been a truly horrible few days for him. There is only a hair’s breadth between his experience and Patrick Mullins’ given the latter’s whip use and Nick Rockett being wobbly at the finish.

    #1726881
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    The “Daily Mail” has now reported on Celebre D’Allen’s cause of death:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-14579633/amp/Grand-National-horse-Celebre-DAllen-death-revealed-Aintree-race.html

    Of course, it is buried away on the site and nowhere near the headlines. “Celebrity Big Brother” and their weird ongoing obsession with someone named Lily Phillips are considered far more important.

    #1726888
    Astralcharmer
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    It’s time people (especially those who follow horse racing) got off Nolan’s back instead of asking why didn’t he get off Celebre’s.

    I’ve watched the race from the 3rd last over a dozen times and have come to the conclusion he did little wrong. The horse was leading coming into the 2nd last. After the 2nd last he stops riding, gives the horse a very gentle tap between the last two fences and pops the last.

    Bravemansgame emptied just as quickly from the last and carried onto the line. He didn’t collapse so I assume that makes it a better ride in some people’s eyes?!

    #1726893
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    I haven’t really watched the race properly ( I tend to watch it with my hands over my eyes although I did see Broadway Boys fall which is why I didn’t rewatch it). But I was very aware of Celebre d’Allen running a mighty race and jumping beautifully. He must have given his jockey the thrill of a lifetime and, having ridden him over those fences before he knew the horse well. For it to end the way it has is awful for everyone concerned. From what I’ve read since ( not on here but in general) I had the impression that he was pushing and whipping the horse to complete the course and that he’d collapsed under him. I feel so sorry for the horse and his connections but I’m now feeling sorry for the jockey.

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