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- May 11, 2017 at 11:27 #1300342
Shutter Speed’s dam has produced only one other foal (a half brother by Arc winner Rail Link) who won over 14F in Doha but the rest of the family were 6F-8F horses so you can understand why the Diane would be an option – she also pulled quite hard in the early stages of the Newbury race and I thought she did well to win the race after that.
Strangely enough I was impressed by Gosden’s other filly Gracious Diana at Newbury (I know it was just a maiden race) and it would be interested to see where she goes next and she is around 25/1 for the Oaks.
Getting more worried about whether Aljezeera is going to make an Oaks trial let alone the Oaks as there is no indication that she is close to running and Cumani is notorious for having late maturing types.
May 11, 2017 at 16:16 #1300370I’m pretty sure Juddmonte wouldn’t be overly concerned about prize money.
So they only do it for higher honours?
Then I wonder why they sold lots of their real estate recently..May 12, 2017 at 13:03 #1300459Shutter Speed heading toward 20’s on the exchanges at the moment.
May 12, 2017 at 13:38 #1300465The Prix Saint Alary is down to 12 runners.
Aidan O’Brien only has Asking in this field and she ran last Sunday, so would seem a doubtful starter to me.
Peace In Motion is still in the mix.
It probably lies between her, Coronet, Gold Luck and Monroe Bay.
Only a short head separated Freddy Head’s Gold Luck and Pascal Bary’s Monroe Bay last time and I dare say both trainers will be confident. Coronet concedes a run to the others but should appreciate the soft going.
No betting so far but I imagine the last three named should dominate the market.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 12, 2017 at 14:47 #1300473Asking definitely running, Smoulder is running tomorrow in the French 1000G after running on Wednesday!
Concerned for Promise To Be True, not entered in any of the Oaks trials, maybe had setback.
May 12, 2017 at 23:51 #1300577Racebets have a book on the Prix Saint-Alary
Coronet is a huge looking 7/1, when you consider how short she is for the Oaks.
Lady Frankel is one I am not sure about getting this far. She was third to Senga last time but I thought Pascal Bary’s filly won with a fair bit of comfort that day. Obviously, if Senga wins the Guineas on Saturday, cofidence will grow behind Lady Frankel.
Gold Luck, Monroe Bay and Hebah are all tightly knit on their last run. I sided with the former two as they were less exposed and the slight concerns about Rouget’s overall form this spring. They sit roughly how you would expect give their last race. I don’t fancy Asking. It’s an odd way to come to the race with such a short gap from her last run and I feel she is about 7 lbs shy of some of the others here.
After watching the Prix Vanteaux again and taking all the factors into account I have decided to take the chance with the Jean-Claude Rouget stable and go with Hebah to win the Saint-Alary.
The reason for the change of heart is mainly based on how much ground she made up last time. In retrospect I feel she was unlucky not to win that race. By Sea The Stars, it was perhaps no surprise that she cut little ice on her first start but she came out and bolted up next time. Her next run was a third to Al Wukair, the 2000 Guineas third from last week.
In the Prix Vanteaux she was in behind on the rails in the Sheikh Hamdan colours, she seemed to drift back slightly at one stage and she was then short of room at the business end. She got out and closed well but it was too late. She was finishing best of the lot that day and visually it cries out that she will be best suited by the extra furlong, of the three fillies who clashed that last day.
Racebets are 5/1 on Hebah but I’ll see what the others are offering in due course.
The Racebets Odds:-
Lady Frankel 4/1
Monroe Bay 4/1
Gold Luck 9/2
Hebah 5/1
Vue Fantastique 13/2
Coronet 7/1
Asking 11/1
Peace In Motion 11/1
Sobetsu 14/1
Body Sculpt 33/1
Estelle Ma Belle 40/1The Prix Vanteaux can be watched here:-
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/2/2588/
For me, the Sea The Stars filly Hebah looks the one to be with for the Saint Alary but it’s obviously fairly open.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 13, 2017 at 19:19 #1300754Coronet is a best price of 5/1 for the Saint-Alary now. She is as short as 10/3.
I hope her backers took the 7/1 suggested as value.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 14, 2017 at 14:57 #1300827Coronet was outpaced in the Saint-Alary but managed to stay on and narrowly snatch third.
The race was won easily by Godolphin’s Sobetsu, who had one time been very short for the 1000 Guineas after hacking up on her second start. Both she and Michael Stoute’s Spatial had looked fillies to follow last year but then both of them disappointed in the Fillies Mile and seemed to drop off the radar.
It was a rough race early today but Sobetsu settled it very easily. Coronet was right at the back most of the way before staying on steadily but never in danger of picking up the winner. Hebah was in a good position to strike, but unlike her last race, where she finished very strongly, she found very little and then weakened slightly. Monroe Bay was tailed off completely. I don’t know if she was hurt in the scrimmaging but something was clearly amiss with her today. With Hebah finishing 4th and Gold Luck 5th, Monroe Bay should have been close to those fillies on their previous form.
Managed to pick the right one from the previous race involving the trio but they were never really in with a winning shout today.
A perfectly satisfactory start for Coronet, who will probably love going over 12F but my suspicion is the the Ribblesdale may be her next target, rather than rushing her for the Oaks. She is 14/1 for the Ribblesdale, which looks pretty good value to me.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 14, 2017 at 15:02 #1300828Annoyed about that sobetsu result.
Was same name as my email as was so impressed with it when it won it’s maiden but then it flopped next time.
Today left it alone because of that and it goes in at 20-1
May 14, 2017 at 15:04 #1300830Shows you should never read too much into one result.
Either that or demonstrates you can’t trust godolphin.
May 14, 2017 at 17:59 #1300854Difficult to know what to make of this because Buick has kept it simple (how often does that happen?) and Dettori has given his filly no chance of winning. Perhaps we are talking a 10f horse against a 12f one but given the difference in rides difficult to be absolutely certain.
May 14, 2017 at 19:11 #1300861Concerned for Promise To Be True, not entered in any of the Oaks trials, maybe had setback.
Sunspangled, last thing i saw was she was heading to the Irish Guineas and the the Oaks. Minding did it last year but this year is only a 5 day gap between races. Which is a bit of bad race planning if you ask me considering the last two Oaks winners ran in it.
Nothing to stop her going there without a run i suppose.
May 14, 2017 at 20:20 #1300874Ground in France was very soft today (after torrential rain overnight on already watered ground) so the results may not hold up through the rest of the season.
Coronet was never in a position to win the race and the fact that she finished as close as she did was very encouraging, she is from a family that doesn’t show any liking for soft conditions so that is also a big plus that she handled it as well as she did today.
Also bear in mind she was jumping up from Listed to G1 class and first time out to boot so all in all a very good Oaks trial if the trainer intends to go that route – will probably know more after Shutter Speed runs in the Musidora, odd that she could be facing another Abdullah stable companion and non Oaks entry in Icespire.
May 14, 2017 at 21:37 #1300882John Gosden stated that Coronet needs to be ridden from the back. He confirmed that either the Epsom Oaks or the Ribblesdale would be next. If she were mine I would go Ribblesdale and perhaps raise her in class later in the season but it’s not my shout.
This is what he said today:-
John Gosden said of Coronet, who was held up at the back before staying on late, “She takes a while to warm up and has to be ridden like that–that’s her style. I’m delighted with that performance after her time off and she will most definitely stay a mile and a half. She would prefer good-to-firm, but that’s not an excuse for today. We will have to decide between the [June 2 G1 Epsom] Oaks of the [G2] Ribblesdale [S. at Royal Ascot June 22].”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
May 14, 2017 at 22:18 #1300888Concerned for Promise To Be True, not entered in any of the Oaks trials, maybe had setback.
Sunspangled, last thing i saw was she was heading to the Irish Guineas and the the Oaks. Minding did it last year but this year is only a 5 day gap between races. Which is a bit of bad race planning if you ask me considering the last two Oaks winners ran in it.
Nothing to stop her going there without a run i suppose.

I guess Peeping Fawn ran in both with the same 5 day gap, but not sure PTBT has the same constitution. Maybe she’ll run in Irish Guineas and Ribblesdale.
May 15, 2017 at 01:13 #1300893John Gosden stated that Coronet needs to be ridden from the back. He confirmed that either the Epsom Oaks or the Ribblesdale would be next. If she were mine I would go Ribblesdale and perhaps raise her in class later in the season but it’s not my shout.
This is what he said today:-
John Gosden said of Coronet, who was held up at the back before staying on late, “She takes a while to warm up and has to be ridden like that–that’s her style. I’m delighted with that performance after her time off and she will most definitely stay a mile and a half. She would prefer good-to-firm, but that’s not an excuse for today. We will have to decide between the [June 2 G1 Epsom] Oaks of the [G2] Ribblesdale
.”Bearing in mind he was only giving the explanation because the ride looked useless was nobody inclined to ask him why? Surely that level of inflexibility puts her at a huge disadvantage, particularly in slowly run races? And where do they get those sorts of races which begs the question as to why she was even running in France. The only conclusion you can draw is that they were not overly bothered about her winning. Perhaps next time Gosden can be a little more forthcoming with the negatives before the race.
May 15, 2017 at 08:29 #1300898John Gosden said of Coronet, who was held up at the back before staying on late, “She takes a while to warm up and has to be ridden like that–that’s her style. I’m delighted with that performance after her time off and she will most definitely stay a mile and a half. She would prefer good-to-firm, but that’s not an excuse for today. We will have to decide between the [June 2 G1 Epsom] Oaks of the [G2] Ribblesdale
.”No doubt these trainers say one thing to one journalist and something else to another but on the TV he said ” think about the Ribblesdale or an Oaks ”
Gosden has 4 of these good middle distance fillies this year and it looks as if he might be keeping them apart, so possibly there are more than 2 options.
I backed Coronet yesterday and after half a furlong it was obvious she was out for a run, and very disappointing to see

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